Could the end really be near?

[Phoenixx]

Im sure by now everyone has heard of Dec.2012.

Being so used to our 'normal' lives and typical everyday-problems this probably sounds like just another 'prophecy-thats-not-going-to-happen' to most people, but still the facts are at the very least scary no matter how you look at it and the prospects, (after all we are talking about no less than the end of the world as we know it), are naturally rather dark.

I must say after seeing this report i thought for the 1st time, (i mean *really* thought), 'What If...?'. This whole thing seems to be so precisely predicted that a coincidence is practically out of the question, and what is going to happen seems to be pretty clear too. Could the world really come to an end in 3,5 years?

Part I of III

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Part II of III
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[Pop Bumper Pete]

I am not going to waste my time watching those videos
But the world is not going to end in 3 years, no matter if it is Nic, PacDud or Phoenixx posting it

 

[Joe]

The bible says that there is some stuff that has to happen be the world ends that has not happened yet.

the also bible code also say that some stuff will happen years after 2012 as well.

also the cubs will need to win it all as well.

 

[Phoenixx]

The most qualified of all comments (and therefore my favorites) are always those of those people who cant even be bothered to take a look at the facts, yet know exactly what is going or not going to happen.

(Genus: Smartosaurus Iknowthescorus.)

Compared to them all other people are generally stupid, and those who proove that they actually do know something will, for the sake of simplicity, be dismissed as raving lunatics who are really completely clueless. This makes the Smartosaurus Iknowthescorus a valuable source of information in all discussions since they always already know for sure what all others have yet to await. A Nostradamus for example is a bloody beginner in comparison,...

 

[Isaac Sauvage]

I am not going to waste my time watching those videos
But the world is not going to end in 3 years, no matter if it is Nic, PacDud or Phoenixx posting it

and what exactly are you bringing to the table?

interest level in the topic?
knowledge / research on the matter?
common sense / rational dialogue?
sense of humor, ala joe?
anything at all?

oh no, wait...
event X isn't going to happen because i feel sure about it.

thanks, pete- you're a freaking genius.


@kevin,
what parts did you feel were convincing? i only know the bare outline of the 'mayan apocalypse', and that was from long ago. do any of the predictions tie into science IYO?

you'd think if they were going to predict an apocalypse, they would have started with their own, circa 1200 AD, no?

 

[Phoenixx]

nic, i have already mentally moved on to the stuff in this thread, (still thinking about it), but i will watch the 122012 clips again tomorrow and make a list of the IMO 'most persuasive' parts,...

P.S.: "you'd think if they were going to predict an apocalypse, they would have started with their own, circa 1200 AD, no?"
I wondered about that too. Perhaps they were simply looking at a 'bigger picture' (as in the real end of the circle) when they made that calendar. At least that would make sense.

 

[shiva]

Personally, I'm still waiting for the Y2K disaster to happen.

 

[Pop Bumper Pete]

I am sorry shiva, there is a new sheriff in town (<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urnchemas-microsoft-comPhoenixx</ST1</st1:City>)
You must now keep your posts on the topic at hand
<O</O
Also, please wash you hands before logging in to this site!

Besides, Xenu will save us!

 

[StevOz]

Nah, (Phoenixx) aint no sheriff he's a deputy...:D:D:D

As for dat there 'prophecy', I'm with Pete on this one. :D

 

[Kiaininja]

I thought 2012 was when the earths polarity was going to flip and for a limited time we are going to be unprotected from the solar rays.

 

[Phoenixx]

Pete, what do you want.

You made it a sport to come into my threads and leave silly comments, why is that O.K. while my writing an equally silly remark in response offends you?

But more than that, if you dont care for a topic, why do you visit it anyway? And why do you bother to reply? Just to drop by and tell us what morons all the people are who stay open minded enough to engage the thought that there is at least the remote possibility that there might be more to it than a normal person who is caught up in the every-day process of their life may assume? Now what good exactly do you think would that do?

Regardless, in itself i could still accept that as an opinion. After all i have many opinions myself. What is not an opinion anymore though is to make claims based on no evidence. Obviously you dont know any more than i do, and compared to the people in the clip i know almost nothing at all. Yet you dont say 'i think' or 'i dont think', you talk as though you were the only one who knows the outcome for sure. But this is a.) not good discussion practice, and b.) offending to the people who try to keep an open mind about the subject. I mean if you bothered to watch the clips you would at least see that there is a lot of stuff surrounding that precise date and that it does have proovable significance in many ways. That the Mayan calendar ended just there is not just a mere coincidence. Then combine that with the fact that previous cylcles all ended in destruction and the notion that this one might end in destruction as well does not look so far-fetched anymore, as a matter of fact it appears only logical if not inevitable. Sure, there is a lot of myth n stuff surrounding it too, but that obviously cant be taken literally. Nearly all of that stuff is being conveyed exclusively via symbols and metaphors and figurative speech, probably because the people back then assumed that these symbols are so universally comprehensible that everyone will understand them and keep understanding them regardless of the development of the spoken languages. Therefore you have to try to think out of the box and ponder what such a symbol could mean when looking at the big picture. It is much like putting together the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle actually, one that reveals more and more clues about what it actually depicts as you proceed putting it together. And that is in fact what the people in this clip do. Use the available data to make an educated guess in order to determine a both possible and likely scenario. Whether they interpret everything right obviously remains to be seen, but the one part where there is no doubt about it is that they have a lot of plausible arguments going for them, and that this very plausibility does have an somewhat eerie touch no matter how you look at it. And that, to come to an end now, was really my only point.



P.S.: Im neither a Sheriff nor a Deputy. Just a mere voluntary helper to the Mayor of this quaint little town. :)

 

[Pop Bumper Pete]

Pete, what do you want.

You made it a sport to come into my threads and leave silly comments, why is that O.K. while my writing an equally silly remark in response offends you?

:)

There you go, making stuff up
Your PC related threads, I have not posted in
When it comes to PC's Phoenixx, you know your stuff, I would not presume to debate you

But now you are posting 'End of the world' BS
It was BS when PacDude posted it, it is BS now
and your view is based on interpretations of really old symbols
most of the time these thinks have been a translation of a translation of a translation, and each translation the message has probably moved away from the original authors thoughts
these things are usually based on riddles and conumdrums that can be interperated in different ways

 

[Phoenixx]

... interpretations of really old symbols
most of the time these thinks have been a translation of a translation of a translation, and each translation the message has probably moved away from the original authors thoughts
these things are usually based on riddles and conumdrums that can be interperated in different ways

I agree. I 100% agree. Wholeheartedly. This is exactly what i think when it comes to the text of the Bible and it obviously applies to a lot of things.

But how does that apply to all the things they covered in the clip that are not merely interpretations? These things cant possibly be dismissed as BS, doing that would be like going back to the level of someone who believes that the earth is a disc and that youre going to fall off if only you walk long enough,...


(Hey im not saying that im convinced that we are headed for our doom. That used to be PDs metier. I just think that there are a lot of things that convincingly suggest that it might be possible. And that is obviously a huge difference.)

 

[mrschultz]

Clip seems to have been taken down. Was it the one from the Histroy channel? I saw that a long time ago, the conclusions are all BS.

Would be an interesting study to see why humans are so fascinated by lots of numbers changing at the same time. Calendars, odometers, anniversaries....

I love how it's the "new" and "improved" translations that seem to connect multiple predictions to the same date now. Back before you could make lots of money off predicting the end of the world the well established translations had all those predictions years apart.

As for the stuff that's not a translation, it's still interpretations of events biased by the interpreter. Cast a wide enough net and you can find connections between anything. There was that famous study to see if power lines were causing health problems, they asked so many questions that it was nearly impossible that there wouldn't be positive connections made.

Unfortunately not all crackpots sound crazy or wear foil hats. And in today's over saturated media world those crackpots find way too large an audience.

Is there a possibility the world will end at that date, sure, but the same could be said for any date, there's all kinds of stuff that could happen at any time. Any actual physical stuff people talk about happening around that time (planetary alignments, ect..) only increase the chance of a disaster a microscopic amount.

 

[Phoenixx]

The clips are working fine, not been taken down.

If you use AdBlock make sure to allow abovetopsecret and gorillanation.

(Dunno why the latter matters since it is hosted by ATS but it seems to matter anyway.)


Why dont you watch it again and tell me exactly what parts in particular you disagree with. Not because i want to argue, im simply curious to hear it. :)

 

[mrschultz]

The clips are working fine, not been taken down.

If you use AdBlock make sure to allow abovetopsecret and gorillanation.

(Dunno why the latter matters since it is hosted by ATS but it seems to matter anyway.)


Why dont you watch it again and tell me exactly what parts in particular you disagree with. Not because i want to argue, im simply curious to hear it. :)

Had to switch over to firefox to view for some reason...

It is the BS from the history channel, could only take about 6 minutes before I had to stop watching. Everything said in that time was totally wrong.

First off, the alignment with the galactic core is meaningless, even less influence than planetary alignments. It's total BS to say no one knows what will happen. Jupiter and Saturn have way more pull than the galactic center and there's been no correlation with those alignments (that occur more frequently) and increases in earthquakes or other disasters.

The magnetic poles reverse regularly, every 100 or 200 thousand years. It doesn't cause earthquakes or tidalwaves. It also doesn't change the tilt of the earth, Alaska was not at the equator when they say it was, that's such a huge error everything else they say is void. The magnetic pole is rarely aligned with the rotational (true) poles, that's why maps have magnetic offsets listed on them. The poles have not reversed in over 100 thousand years, so we are due. Since no one knows how long it takes the field to flip it's hard to predict the effects. But it happens way more often than mass extinctions so it seems that life on earth can deal with it fairly well. Our technology might not so that is the major concern.

Sorry, that's as far as I got, couldn't take any more.

Later,
Marty

 

[Phoenixx]

Sorry, that's as far as I got, couldn't take any more.

Thats allright.

Thanks for posting your view anyway, at least you explained why you think that way.

 

[mrschultz]

Thats allright.

Thanks for posting your view anyway, at least you explained why you think that way.

It's not a view, it's fact. What they said about Alaska was just soo wrong, and to think there are people watching that now believing that it was on the equator a few hundred thousand years ago. Instead of billions of years ago.

Confusing the magnetic and rotational poles is just unforgivable for a show supposedly talking about scientific facts. The magnetic pole could move anywhere, but that has no effect on the continents and their relationship to the rotation of the earth. They are letting people think that if the magnetic pole moves to the equator suddenly Alaska would be warm and the equator cold, when it would have little effect on the climate.

There is a theory that the continents could drift into a configuration that might cause the earth to be so out of balance that it might change the tilt of the earth so it would be more balanced, but it isn't widely accepted.

 

[panootz]

Only God is in control and when he comes down form the heavens that means the end of the world. Could be tommorrow or it could be 50 million years from now, who knows. But he is the only one i'd say is in control period. Dave P.

 

[Isaac Sauvage]

It's not a view, it's fact. What they said about Alaska was just soo wrong, and to think there are people watching that now believing that it was on the equator a few hundred thousand years ago. Instead of billions of years ago.

Confusing the magnetic and rotational poles is just unforgivable for a show supposedly talking about scientific facts. The magnetic pole could move anywhere, but that has no effect on the continents and their relationship to the rotation of the earth. They are letting people think that if the magnetic pole moves to the equator suddenly Alaska would be warm and the equator cold, when it would have little effect on the climate.

There is a theory that the continents could drift into a configuration that might cause the earth to be so out of balance that it might change the tilt of the earth so it would be more balanced, but it isn't widely accepted.

just out of curiosity, marty, have you detected any pattern of 'good' documentaries and programs versus 'bad' ones on channels like history, discovery, TLC, PBS, etc?

by that i mean, in your view do some channels do consistently better work (and fact-checking) than others? have you noticed any producers or directors doing conspicuously better work than others? or do you just take these shows on a case-by-case basis?

 

[mrschultz]

just out of curiosity, marty, have you detected any pattern of 'good' documentaries and programs versus 'bad' ones on channels like history, discovery, TLC, PBS, etc?

by that i mean, in your view do some channels do consistently better work (and fact-checking) than others? have you noticed any producers or directors doing conspicuously better work than others? or do you just take these shows on a case-by-case basis?

History seems to have the most bad ones, hardly ever see outright bad science on Discovery, I don't watch much on TLC, shows like Nova on PBS always seem to get their facts correct. I don't keep track of producers or directors so can't comment on that.

Sure they all do shows on stuff that still needs more prof one way or the other, and fluff shows. But it's one thing to talk about theories and predictions that people might have different views on, and other to just make a bunch of stuff up and pass it off as scientific facts.

Great story not long ago about a student doing a project on fact checking, he made up a quote and added it to the Wikipedia page for a poet that just died. Lots of news papers picked it up and quoted it as being said by the poet. Wikipedia corrected the error but even after the student told the news papers the quote was fake only a few retracted. Just goes to show, if something sounds good there are way too many editors and producers that will just let it go out even if they know it's wrong. It's also a problem when non-scientific people put this stuff out there, see it sometimes at work, occasionally the PR department will rewrite a blurb about what a professor is working on, and get it totally wrong.

 

[Isaac Sauvage]

yeap, i read that about that student, too. good stuff:
http://pantagraph.com/articles/2009/05/13/news/doc4a09841c4687e852077952.txt

you know we can already see a 'whisper down the line' mechanism working in that the deceased in question was a composer, not a poet. sorry; couldn't resist.

anyway, thanks for your comments.
although i don't like TV much, i do love educational shows... but i don't watch TV enough to know which channels produce pap and which air some good stuff. certainly i've seen my share of hare-brained stuff and a virtual propaganda agenda- the UFO programs are probably the worst, consistently.

kind of reminds of this, the "9,500 year old underwater city off the coast of india":
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/oldcity.htm

 

[mrschultz]

yeap, i read that about that student, too. good stuff:
http://pantagraph.com/articles/2009/05/13/news/doc4a09841c4687e852077952.txt

you know we can already see a 'whisper down the line' mechanism working in that the deceased in question was a composer, not a poet. sorry; couldn't resist.

Opps, I should have gone back and checked, not relied on memory... Now I'm not sure if I should leave the error up or go back and edit it....:D

anyway, thanks for your comments.
although i don't like TV much, i do love educational shows... but i don't watch TV enough to know which channels produce pap and which air some good stuff. certainly i've seen my share of hare-brained stuff and a virtual propaganda agenda- the UFO programs are probably the worst, consistently.

kind of reminds of this, the "9,500 year old underwater city off the coast of india":
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/oldcity.htm

Ahh, the internet is great for keeping stuff like that going.

 

[Phoenixx]

Terence McKenna tries to explain why the world simply MUST come to an end.

Note: Part2 has somewhat annoying music overlaid but thats only in that one part.

Note: Multi-part clips from ATS can be viewed in the same player window by using the ►| button in the control bar. The clip has six parts total.

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[Isaac Sauvage]

nic, i have already mentally moved on to the stuff in this thread, (still thinking about it), but i will watch the 122012 clips again tomorrow and make a list of the IMO 'most persuasive' parts,...

so how's that working out?