how quickly we forget. and what of their name? You can't tell me THAT hasn't rubbed some the wrong way, but I am not gonna open that can of worms again, but I peruse both sites to see new developments that somehow never seems to get to the other site either from here to there OR visa versa. So to get the best of everything visit a few different sites. there is also Pinball Originals, but their site is SLOW, good but oh so slow! then there is IDPB where you can either access the roms (you can also get them here), manuals, pics of the real machines, some history on them too for some of them. there is also IRpinball, but I am not sure if that site is still up and running. some table authors have their own sites as well,(scapino, JP, Tii) that also have pins on them. good luck with your endeavors...