and Don't forget to remove my tables from your site MR Noah!

[Tii]

now you can't use me anymore (like you do other authors) to make money
off your site and selliing your pin cabs, good riddens you piece of shit!!

 

[sleepy]

Hey Tii.

Has there been an incident over there?

 

[Shockman]

There has been a number of incidents over there.

His entire database when he opened that site was made up of tables he had no permission to post, and that is not the only taboo that turned into regular business there.

Then there is the fact that VP is intentionally made and kept to not work as well outside the cabinets.

Without shame, it is evil.

 

[bob]

I just looked at VPF and noticed your status has been set to banned. Would you mind sharing the reason?

 

[sleepy]

Jesus. They banned Tii?
Was this before or after this thread?

 

[Noah Fentz]

As is always the case, conspiracy theories abound!

Tii unceremoniously flamed a member after a long history of being nothing more than a spammer.

I told him it was a shame he couldn't be an active member of the VPF community and informed his posts would be perpetually moderated in the future.

After he told me to 'Fuck off' in a PM, he was banned.

I provide a great site for the community. I don't 'use' anyone. Even now, I have just worked 18 hours straight, 50+ this week on upgrading the software to make the site an even better, more social, and immersive place.

Shame all this site has become is a mecca for shit-slinging my way. I've worked tirelessly to develop products and find sources for the things people want and need, price them at more than reasonable prices, and even make little to nothing on many of the items I offer just to promote the hobby and help fellow members out.

So, 'MR' ... I believe it is I who should feel the sentiment of good riddance. If any of you can imagine that kind of PM being received whilst knee-deep in a lack-of-sleep site upgrade, I'm sure the result would be the same.


As for VP development ... I'm not a developer, nor do I dictate the direction in which VP is developed. Any of the devs can confirm this as fact.

I'm so tired of baseless and false accusations, I could vomit.

 

[sleepy]

I have to take issue with calling Tii nothing but a spammer.
He is a reasonably prolific FP author who has been sought out by several commercial interests in the many years, Foley and who else.

So no. Tii isn't nothing but a spammer, though he may be concerned about something else. Beyond that, I don't know anything about this incident.

 

[Noah Fentz]

I beg to differ.

The vast majority of his posts contain nothing more than a link.

Nothing more.

What would you call it?

That's the epitome of spammer, and that's my assessment. You can call it whatever you like. That's your prerogative.

Now, given that post history, to call a member a 'two faced sonofabitch' on the open forum is unacceptable. To tell me to 'fuck off' is banworthy.

You may commence telling everyone how wrong I am, this is, and the whole world what an evil bastard I am now. Shame. This is the kind of shit that always ruins the fun for me and why I rarely post or even recreate tables anymore.

 

[sleepy]

No Noah, I wouldn't do that, and yes, I did see that post, but I've already forgotten it.

 

[sleepy]

But Tii's links are to the tables and not to a products page, right?

 

[Tii]

yeah i flamed Steve, because i'm tired of seeing the two faced
son of a bitch coming and going all over the different forums for years,
he caused the original FP Forum shutting down, then went to VP Forum
and pissed off Noah, then started GO Pinball and did the MOD thing
that pissed off the community, then he said "oh i'm a good guy and
won't allow mod's anymore, so everybody love me cause i have medical
problems" then he says "oh i'm leaving the pinball community" then a few
weeks later he says "oh i'm back everybody love me again" on, and on

all i did was have the balls to finally tell him what he is
- somebody had to say it!

MR Noah don't bullshit us, i know your making some money
off the VP site and now in cahoots with Foley...

end of line

and don't forget to remove my tables MR Noah!

 

[Noah Fentz]

yeah i flamed Steve, because i'm tired of seeing the two faced
son of a bitch coming and going all over the different forums for years,
he caused the original FP Forum shutting down, then went to VP Forum
and pissed off Noah, then started GO Pinball and did the MOD thing
that pissed off the community, then he said "oh i'm a good guy and
won't allow mod's anymore, so everybody love me cause i have medical
problems" then he says "oh i'm leaving the pinball community" then a few
weeks later he says "oh i'm back everybody love me again" on, and on

all i did was have the balls to finally tell him what he is
- somebody had to say it!

MR Noah don't bullshit us, i know your making some money
off the VP site and now in cahoots with Foley...

end of line

and don't forget to remove my tables MR Noah!

K ... so, you flamed ... CHECK

You told me to fuck off ... CHECK

I really don't care about the history between you and Steve. What you did was unnecessary and really sets a bad example. When you PM'ed me to 'fuck off', that's when it became personal between you and I, and I don't tolerate that kind of behavior. I don't want to, nor do I have to. I deal with it enough every day, man.

As for making money, I've never claimed to not make some money off the web services I provide. All the tables are 100% FREE, and just like the FPR guys, BBB over at HyperSPin, and countless other webservices, this all takes TIME AND MONEY. Would you be able to spend 5-8 hours doing what I do for nothing? I'm busy all day, every day with VPF and VirtuaPin. Whether it be online, on the phone, or in emails, I help people every day with setting it up, getting it running, and developing and providing quality products at reasonable prices. The site has always required daily attention. How else would VPF have the uptime record it has and the number and quality of features? Now, with a HUGE upgrade on the horizon, even more so.

As for being in 'cahoots' with Foley ... wrong.

What I've done is taken some product development off his hands. I delivered in weeks to some people who had waited nearly a whole year to get it from Nanotech!

So, in closing, Tii, I have no real issue with you, other than your recent behavior on the board. If you want to resolve it with class, you have my email.

 

[Tii]

K ... so, you flamed ... CHECK

You told me to fuck off ... CHECK

I really don't care about the history between you and Steve. What you did was unnecessary and really sets a bad example. When you PM'ed me to 'fuck off', that's when it became personal between you and I, and I don't tolerate that kind of behavior. I don't want to, nor do I have to. I deal with it enough every day, man.

As for making money, I've never claimed to not make some money off the web services I provide. All the tables are 100% FREE, and just like the FPR guys, BBB over at HyperSPin, and countless other webservices, this all takes TIME AND MONEY. Would you be able to spend 5-8 hours doing what I do for nothing? I'm busy all day, every day with VPF and VirtuaPin. Whether it be online, on the phone, or in emails, I help people every day with setting it up, getting it running, and developing and providing quality products at reasonable prices. The site has always required daily attention. How else would VPF have the uptime record it has and the number and quality of features? Now, with a HUGE upgrade on the horizon, even more so.

As for being in 'cahoots' with Foley ... wrong.

What I've done is taken some product development off his hands. I delivered in weeks to some people who had waited nearly a whole year to get it from Nanotech!

So, in closing, Tii, I have no real issue with you, other than your recent behavior on the board. If you want to resolve it with class, you have my email.

check and recheck now don't forget to delete my tables
off your site

 

[Tii]

So, in closing, Tii, I have no real issue with you, other than your recent behavior on the board. If you want to resolve it with class, you have my email.

i thought you said i was some kinda big spammer,
why don't you look at the posts over here and see how
i'm spamming here too.....no matter i'm done with ya

 

[Shockman]

Steve is back? That makes more than just Steve a two faced sonofabitch.

I have upset Paul myself, though it was nothing personal on my part, but I have never seen him anywhere as near as upset as he was when Steve upset him. He talked to even me about him. How he could sit there and say a member calling him a SOB puts that member on the defensive and himself on the offensive, and the other subject (member) immune is familiar and suspect. Did Steve buy a cabinet or make a donation? Conspiracy theories abound!

And what am I sitting here banned for? Paul said he would lift my ban in 6 months, and when 6 months came to pass I hear that he is accusing me of being an alt troublemaker going by the name of Gnome.

I have medical problems as well, and am saving up to buy one of his cabinets.

 

[Noah Fentz]

Steve is back? That makes more than just Steve a two faced sonofabitch.

I have upset Paul myself, though it was nothing personal on my part, but I have never seen him anywhere as near as upset as he was when Steve upset him. He talked to even me about him. How he could sit there and say a member calling him a SOB puts that member on the defensive and himself on the offensive, and the other subject (member) immune is familiar and suspect. Did Steve buy a cabinet or make a donation? Conspiracy theories abound!

And what am I sitting here banned for? Paul said he would lift my ban in 6 months, and when 6 months came to pass I hear that he is accusing me of being an alt troublemaker going by the name of Gnome.

I have medical problems as well, and am saving up to buy one of his cabinets.

I ALWAYS forgive, Phil. Anyone who knows me knows that about me.

It's really hard to forgive when the 'member in question' incessantly talks shit about me at another forum.

With VPF 2.0 coming up, I figured I'd extend the proverbial olive branch to a few former members, and Steve beat me to it.

I'm getting too old to hold grudges and waste time on petty shit like 'remove my tables' and conspiracy theories.

Petty is all it is.

 

[LeeVanCleef]

I'm not even a regular follower of all the FP goings-on and I can't believe that Steve wasn't banned years ago. That dude's problems are a lot more than medical.
Be that as it may, I hope you'll consider working out these issues with Noah, Tii. I don't use FP but, if I did, your wonderfully-trippy eye-candy tables would be at the top of my list. And .org is a great place for your tables to get the notice that they deserve.
Or you could go back to making VP tables and post them here! :)

 

[LeeVanCleef]

I ALWAYS forgive, Phil. Anyone who knows me knows that about me.


With VPF 2.0 coming up, I figured I'd extend the proverbial olive branch to a few former members, and Steve beat me to it.

Well... that explains why Steve's back! :D Well... good on you. Nothing wrong with cleaning slates.

 

[Shockman]

@ ruby' - Clean?

@Noah Fentz - Petty IS all it is.

1: having secondary rank or importance : minor, subordinate
2: having little or no importance or significance
3: marked by or reflective of narrow interests and sympathies

But why would YOU say that?

 

[Itchigo]

I'm not getting involved in this, I just wanted to say thanks for your vp tables Tii, they're one of the things I learned from.

 

[Rick2007]

Hi Noah, You are a target because of your VP Forums status.
I know that you feel personaly insulted by some of these
ass holes, but I would recommend that you totally ignore
them. When you respond to them you only give them the
power they are looking for.

Rick2006 :)

 

[Shockman]

...
...As for VP development ... I'm not a developer, nor do I dictate the direction in which VP is developed. Any of the devs can confirm this as fact.

The reason I suggested otherwise, is that you are using not the last version Randy was working on which was merging the UC version with the general version, but instead went with the proprietary derivative which totally hacked VP up with only certain niche hardware mattering.

Then said two versions would be more confusing, when the idea of two versions had nothing to do with confusion but function. It could certainly be that VP will NEVER have the keyboard function when niche hardware takes president. Using a cabinet version or a desktop version would avoid not only confusion, but disappointment. Would a MAC and PC version be too confusing?

Then said that no other version would be allowed to be hosted, linked to or talked about there. I don't think this is a conspiracy, but a poor and selfish policy made by you. I think everyone else would like full function, even if it meant a version for each platform, be that PC and Mac, or PC and cabinet based hardware, because that is two separate platforms, and requires separate support routines in either the same same build, or increasingly obvious, two builds.

You also said VP8 is dead, and it may be, but no more than VP9 if it is not further worked on, and VP8 is just as open to further work as VP9 is.

This sounds like dictates to me. You choose to work on UCVP if not directly (personally) and for all I know you have the rights to, and as far as I'm concerned as well, you have the right. But for general use, you know this is missing basic function that any pinball simulator should have, and VP has always had until now. I believe you hampered work in restoring basic pinball simulating function to VP by saying stuff like no ones work could be put up, linked to, or talked about at your site. Also by saying that nudging should not be restored to how it was, but instead a complicated system where the force is unrelated to the reaction would be the only sensible way to go. This takes physics out of the equation. Not that there would be anything wrong with having the ability, as long as the default is a nudge that is physically calculated to the jolt, but it is an expansion, a refinement, not a basic function.

You even said VP9 nudging is better that VP8 nudging ever was, even for keyboard use. This was a foolish statement, one that you can not possibly believe, and expect respect of your intelligence. You said that the lack of recoil is more realistic than a recoil and that it would be significantly less that a full 100% reaction (equal and opposite). I agreed, but said this would be negligible in terms of a digital simulation. You said Prom players can steer the ball, again in defense of VP9 physics as simulated by a keystroke. I again agreed, but pointed out this amount would again be negligible in VP. The plunger has what? 40 power positions, not counting the extended length, and flippers seem to be far less as far as possible trajectories possible. We are talking about elements that have infinite scope in the real world. But still, nudging should not have 100% recoil in the scope of VP? Direction however, anyone can fix that, and on any given day. I can fix that, and I am not a C++ developer.

You said that the core.vbs that addressed most, if not all the issues, to some, if not a realistic degree was a bad idea, and further cause for confusion. You should have jumped all over that in my opinion.

There is a certain amount of confusion inherent in setting up emulation and running simulations. You can not avoid that. You can only avoid a working solution for those that don't want to (not many) or can't afford (many indeed) your cabinets and hardware. And you seem to be dead set to. Not because you are not a developer, but you confuse the issue with bogus statements about what nudging really is, not allow alternatives to be shared, and claim that VP works outside your niche, and that nothing was or will be taken from one platform to support another. It already was. And if after well over two years it's a problem to restore basic function that all pinball simulators have, and VP always has has until now, then that is not a problem with the program, but the stewardship, because you have been given alternatives. The core.vbs file, the suggestion of a build that restored the function with only keyboard control is addressed, as yours has only the niche hardware addressed.

If you are doing the best you can do for the community, then you KNOW that you are. I don't believe you are doing the best you can for the community, but I DON"T know that. Perhaps we just think very differently. Perhaps there are logical reasons to not embrace these ideas and solutions for the other people in the community, and I just miss the logic.

You put yourself in this position, taking stewardship, and having commercial interests. That is a conflict of interest, only if you then claim to be community minded.

 

[Isaac Sauvage]

there are a lot of "steves" in the VP scene. which is the one in question?

 

[Shockman]

Paradis

 

[Shockman]

Steve was banned for replacing table files for files that were not tables on Paul's database.

Tii for something said in PM.

Me for something said in public.

All suggested, requested, demanded, or saw to it that their work be taken out of the database, usually after a ban of their person from the site. Some, at least I, had work show up there without permission. Destruk posted my work there, and hundreds of others.

To take control of someone else's work and refuse to give that control back is theft, any way you approach it.

So much is going on now at the new VPF that was Taboo for the community. Roms on site, 'Blue Phoenixx', unauthorized uploads, but traditions remain, like banning for made up reasons, and empty promises of restoring their membership.

If Paul was a man of his word, I would have had my membership restored two months ago. His reason for the ban however was his fabrication, as is the reason to go back on his word. He said I threatened his life, but of course if that was true, then I would be involved in that exchange and know at least what he was referring to. He said I posted there under an alt using my mother's IP. My mother's IP is the one I'm using now and the one that is banned from VPF. Even if there was another account, it would be the same IP. And why would I do that at the same time I was expecting him to lift his ban per his own word?