Identity Theft, No Big Deal?

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Recently I had two fraudulent charges made to my checking account. As soon as I noticed them, I called my bank, and I found out a few interesting things, which could also be a bit worrisome. First, of course, my check card was cancelled, and a new one was sent to be four days later. But since the fraudulent charges were still Pending, I’d have to wait until they had been fully processed and then call back, at which time something could be done about them.

While I waited for the fake charges to be processed, I saw a $7.50 replacement card fee added to me account, and figured I had gotten off pretty lightly. But when I called back, once the fraudulent charges had finally been processed, the woman I spoke to credited both the fraudulent charges and the replacement card fee back to my account. I’ve been told that the bank will look into things, and unless they determine fraud on my part, I’ll have lost nothing, money wise.
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This makes the second time this sort of thing has happened to me. The first time my bank noticed something that didn’t seem right and called to ask me if I had made a certain charged, which I hadn’t. This time they didn’t catch it, but I did, since I catch my account every time I go online. At first I was mystified, since I do nearly all my purchases online, and never give my card to anyone who removes it from my sight. I also never give out any personal information online or over the phone unless I know whom and why.
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When I called the bank, both times, the persons I spoke to seemed calm about my problem, which made me wonder. But then I realized they were trained to know what to do in these situations. And, sad to say, probably are well experienced dealing with fraud. It wouldn’t do anyone any good if them overreacted, and besides, it wasn’t their money. So yes, in retrospect, I’m happy with how my bank handled things. And no, I don’t see any reason to switch banks, since most banks have had some sort of security breech, and fraud is on the increase. Maybe it’s a good thing that it’s no big deal to the people we have to call to report fraud.
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It’s great that the way it’s all handled, that it ends up being no big deal for us bank customers sometimes. I do realize how lucky I am to not have lost my money this time. And I’ll continue to be as careful as I can be, but some times it seemed like a waiting game until the next time. When I talked to my brother about this, he told me some things I hadn’t been aware of, though maybe I should have figured it our.
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It seems that these bands of crooks stealing identities have it down to a science. Once they hack bank’s databases, they make fake credit and debit cards, they send them to their team, and they usually make small purchases under $50.00, which don’t require the use of a pin number. My brother said one of his fraudulent cards was even used to pay a $1.50 parking meter fee. So it’s not always big-ticket items that are stolen from us, but now we can be chipped away at bit by bit. So if you’re lucky enough to have never been hacked in this way, good for you. But keep on your toes. After I post this, I think I’ll check my online bank account again.
 
I also have found out that many online game sites will charge you for using their site
even if you aren't there any more! Big Fish games is but one of these I found out
were taking $1.50 out of my account monthly okay not too big an amount but that is only one!
and porn sites too (from what I've heard, or game sites) will take money from your account
if you forget to cancel that 'free 3 day trial offer' they give you
I got hacked like you did only one time and that was years ago
but every week I look at my online bank account just to make sure
 
this is a big problem with debit cards- you've got little protection against fraud. and / or you have to cut through a small mountain or red tape to get a little justice served.

but there's so many ways for fraudsters to turn a profit these days that one can easily turn neurotic about the use of their plastic. on the rare occasions i go to ATM's these days, i check all over and around the unit to see if there are any fake bezels, card input slots, etc that have been glued on to the machine. if you know what i mean. using my cards online is even worse- no matter how careful you are it's mostly just a matter of time before someone captures your info and creates an obnoxious headache for you.

i swear, i'm going back to exchanging seashells and beads starting tomorrow. er... after having some sushi, first, that is. :p
 
Funny Games

I found out that Bank of America doesn't even bother with tracking the I.P. Addresses of online purchasers. So in the event of online e-fraud, they ignore the I.P. Address of the perpetrator and base their investigative decisions solely on looking at the name and address on the online transaction and then looking at the account owner's name and address and whether they match.
If both match, then the bank assumes that the account owner authorized the purchases.

Isn't that wonderful?

Also, there is No PIN Available or Necessary to pass an E-Check.

Isn't that Terrific?
 
Does the bank care if a shipping addy is not to the card holder?
 
Does the bank care if a shipping addy is not to the card holder?

They used to, I always have stuff I buy online shipped to my work address, and that would cause hassles. Seems it has changed now, the last 5 years or so I never have a problem with using a different shipping address.

I would never use a debit card online, only credit cards or paypal. For "one off" purchases at places I'll probably never buy from again I don't even like using my normal card number, I use the temporary numbers. In case anyone hasn't heard of those the big card issuers have a program that will generate a card number tied to your account that can only be used at one store and has a short expiration date. So if that gets stolen it gets rejected when the crooks try to use it. Also saves you from places that make it a pain to cancel subscriptions, when I got my new car I wanted to try Onstar for a little longer than the trial period, paid for 6 months with a temp number, after that I wasn't interested in continuing, for over a year they kept trying to charge that number and asking me for a new one...

Oh, and it's usually not the banks that get hacked, it's the places you buy stuff from that are storing your card data, most do it and don't even give you the option of telling them not to.
 
thanks! temporary numbers sound a lot more manageable than going to the CVS and buying a disposable vanilla card when i'm doing online purchasing these days. i assume the standard CC consumer protection is in place, too...
 
thanks! temporary numbers sound a lot more manageable than going to the CVS and buying a disposable vanilla card when i'm doing online purchasing these days. i assume the standard CC consumer protection is in place, too...

Yeah, the temporary number is linked to your normal card, so it has all the same protections.

Discover card does it through their website, you log into your account and there's a link to generate a temp number. Citibank used to have a program you could download that would do it, then they switched to the website only, got a notice a while back that they have the program available again but I haven't tried it yet. I've dropped down to just two cards so those are the only 2 I know of that do it.
 
Cards, sure, but my recent experiences involve online purchases made by somebody else who used a checking account (e-check) to defraud the owner.
I can't talk about it right now, but it has sure been a funny game.

One thing I can say though is, the Bank of America Fraud Agent told me that they cannot go online on The Internet, cannot go to websites using the login data supplied at the time of purchase even though a customer has been wrongfully bilked for it by somebody else, and they cannot go to the suspect's verified Facebook page to investigate real name to username even as this info is on public display, even though Bank of America has a Facebook page.
 
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I've seen this even with the cops, they wouldn't go to a facebook page to investigate someone. Seems any kind of investigation at all requires a court order.

Unless you are the NSA, then you can collect all the data all the time....
 
Yeah. It's A Real Pisser. The suspect's Username as he used to confirm his subscriptions to porn and sex date sites and also to login to those sites, is Also part of his Facebook URL.
And he also uses his birthname explicitly as the owner of his Facebook page.
But BoA won't go there as far as they told me, and BoA doesn't track I.P. Address logged to the actual subscriber to those accounts.

That info is locked up with WTS, the online bank that interfaces online transactions with the account owner's bank. WTS sent me the cancellation notices with the suspect's Usernames and E-Mail addresses, but not the I.P. Addresses as Logged. BoA did Not Cancel those unauthorized accounts. I Had to Run those down on my own by Googling for WTS in the dark. The banks statements have the "WTS" i.d. but the damn BoA uses Cross Reference Numbers for their version of the transactions, and they have No Correlation to the WTS Order Numbers. And most of these WTS subscriptions were for Automatic Monthly Billing, so thanks to BoA, instead of tracking 7 clear-cut subscriptions using the WTS Order numbers, I get to track a separate BoA cross number for Each and Every Month that provides No Indentifying data for the subscriptions.

I sifted the info and was able to enter his yahoo account where I found two of the original Purchase Confirmation e-mails with the I.P Address on them, but WTS denies having those In Spite of Being The Sender of Those Confirmations(!) and BoA appears to want to ignore them.

And the Real Pisser is, the suspect whose Username and Real Name appear on his Facebook page was arrested and convicted for counterfeiting paper checks against The Very Same Account That Was Used For The Online Purchases By Him.
The cops showed me his Driver's License the night of his arrest for paper check fraud and I have his name and address. His identity is verified to me. Same with the cops, but they won't touch e-fraud and the Check Fraud division of BoA doesn't interface at all with their own E-Fraud division.

I've sent the police report and Court Case data to BoA and they still ignore it on the E-Fraud side. The E-Fraud side will only accept low-res FAX copies of these websites with the member information And His Pictures of Himself, but the other morning talking to the E-Fraud Agent, he Could Not Read the Usernames and E-Mail Addresses listed on the FAX copies on his computer screen that were sent to him by WTS. Those weren't even inferior FAX photocopies of websites. Those were plain text receipts.

How the Hell is BoA going to last in the 21st Century? By ripping-off their customers?
 
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And the only other thing I can say right now is about the Usernames and the E-Mail Addresses listed on the WTS Subscription details pages sent to me by BoA. I received only 6 of the 7 WTS subscription details.
The first one uses a gmail address with a different Username. The second detail lists the same gmail, but with the Known Username. When you read the 5th or 6th detail, he is then using Yahoo! but with the Known Username.

So the identity can be generalized as being the same individual on all counts by examining the details pages across the entire set of 6, but BoA makes absolutely nothing of 'that coincidence'...
 
I've seen this even with the cops, they wouldn't go to a facebook page to investigate someone. Seems any kind of investigation at all requires a court order.

Unless you are the NSA, then you can collect all the data all the time....

But you know, if that NSA stuff is not being executed in the defense of the Rights of The People, preventing crimes, catching criminals and protecting property, money, etc., then what the hell are they doing with it?
 
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