Meanwhile in Oakland: Riot police fire tear gas, flashbang grenades, rubber bullets

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Is anyone really surprised by this? I mean, it is Oakland. Don't the cops there gun down homeless people on the subway platform? I will say this for Motown: he asked a very reasoned question. It's a shame so many slack-jaws decided to vote him a "thumbs-down" for this. At the same time, I'm not sure that protesters need to come armed with analytical ways of changing the system. I don't think a person needs to have an answer for inequality to protest inequality.
 
The objectives, being vast, should not be mistaken for them being vague.

The protests of the 70's each and every one brought a large amount of change, but as an example to what I said above, let's use civil rights. When asked what the purpose was many had a hard time expressing it. There is just so much, what to list, where to start, in an answer. It is clear, and overwhelm is just an excuse for those that want none of it.

Jimmy Hendrix wrote and I can't quote, but basically,

when the power of love becomes greater than the love of power, only then will the world know peace.

I think more people know the power of love than love power, but we are talking about power, which is, well, powerful.

This movement has only begun, and I think a time will come when it will be said it has begun. Like everything else, it is political... for now. Personally I like to think it is the beginning of a revolution. It will be a revolution of the political system, a revolutionary war, or end in a flash, with the result being the worst government the world has ever seen being our own.

There is at this point worse (poorer) places a person could live (many countries), but look at their resources. It is having the resources that is the shame.
 
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Warren Buffett, "I could end the deficit in 5 minutes," he told CNBC.
"You just pass a law that says that anytime there is a deficit of more than 3% of GDP, all
sitting members of Congress are ineligible for re-election. The 26th
amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only 3 months
& 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple! The people demanded it. That was in
1971...before computers, e-mail, cell phones, etc. Of the 27 amendments to
the Constitution, seven (7) took 1 year or less to become the law of the
land...all because of public pressure.

Warren Buffet is asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of
twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do
likewise.
In three days, most people in The United States of America will have the
message. This is one idea that really should be passed around.

*Congressional Reform Act of 2011*

1. No Tenure / No Pension. A Congressman collects a salary while in office
and receives no pay when they are out of office.

2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security. All
funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security
system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system,
and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for
any other purpose.

3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans
do.

4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay
will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the
same health care system as the American people.

6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American
people.

7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/12.
The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen
made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor,
not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours
should serve their term's), then go home and back to work.

If each person contacts a minimum of twenty people then it will only take
three days for most people (in the U.S.) to receive the message. Maybe it is
time.
 
I disagree. I think congress needs to go. Having a congress in one place in the information age is as stupid as having the pony express in the super highway age.

http://www.hulu.com/occupy-wall-street
 

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One of the simplest answers is to Impeach.
Our Representatives don't, and they swear to their Oath of Office, and yet so many of them willfully disregard their Oath to uphold Our Constitutions, both Federal and State, in their popularist legislations designed to appeal to the blind emotions of the majority against The Rights of the Individual, and when they do, then what do we do about it? Fuck, we leave the matter to the government and the moment never ever comes.

No. When a representative refuses to represent any of their constituents, when a representative violates any part of Our Constitutions which he/she is pledged by Oath to uphold, or any of the unenumerated Rights which we as The People exercise to ourselves, right there we should be knocking at the door to throw the bums OUT with Impeachment.

Part of the problem is that ballot measures pass on a minority of voters; that the people who choose not to vote are assumed to be In Agreement with the ballot measures when they pass on a low voter turnout, the same as when the Governor of California refuses to sign off on a piece of legislation, it is assumed to be approved.
No. When the voters stay home, it should be assumed that the measures do not matter, therefore on a majority of voters staying out of the vote, all measures on the ballot should be considered to be Rejected. Look at it this way. When there is a ballot measure that we Really Want to see passed, don't we all show up to vote?

Back in the 70's there was a push to include a "none of the above" option for each candidate. I think we should insist on it and when that option is chosen by the majority, that we indeed throw out the candidates and start over.

In the connected age I also agree with Active Government by both Internet and smartphones, by any usable device which connects, and I think all public institutions, police, public hospitals and clinics, welfare and social service agencies, should be required to maintain a forum page for voicing complaints accessible for reading by the general public.
At the local County of Los Angeles/U.C.L.A.-run hospital (Olive View Hospital), there was a man, a Father with children, who had a tube inserted down his throat. The doctor missed and the tube punctured the man's heart, killing him. The family sued the hospital and won $1.5 Million, but who would want that Goddamn money?
There are frequent mishaps at that hospital, but who knows about it?
Unless you follow legal pages regularly, almost no one knows a goddamn thing, just the general character of the institution.
And my old man died in the same hospital that "The Angel of Death" suspect was working, at the same time. He passed on an administration of morphine, which is what "The Angel of Death" was using on his victims, though there was "no apparent connection" to my Father's stay.

They should be forced to air public complaint web pages so that the people know exactly what is going on, or at least to separate the truth from the hoaxes and misinformation in the street.
 
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I think you get it sleepy. In a perfect world all initiatives would be referendum, in our world, none should be.

I thought some states required a minimum number of votes for a ballot measure, not a super percent, but a certain number, but perhaps not, I could not confirm that with a quick search. Maybe the statistical requirement is only the signatures required to get it on the ballot.

The system is slow to change, and the change is usually no good, and it certainly is not going away, so I like your idea of required forums. Not required participation, but required counting of those that do participate.

Though somewhat of an anarchist at heart, it is an emotion, and not a philosophical belief, and I am not against the congressional. I just think there is no longer any reason to fund it as a body, though it would still be a body. If we had the communications we have now back then, even though the model existed, there would have probably been some discussion, on the merits, of expense at least, of sending our reps to (later) DC. Perhaps even some discussion if reps were actually needed, since everyone has a forum, (if set up) to give their own voice, and vote.

The only thing I think I disagree with you on would be ease in impeachment. I think people are generally too emotional for that. However some system for the ousting should exist. If by a knocking at the door, you are talking about special elections, with only one party (stay in or get out), I agree, but you seem to be giving that responsibility to the congress, when I think it should be general. But the only question is should the country be allowed to impeach and actually remove a rep from Alabama, or just the people from Alabama. As a congressional matter it would be all the states (reps) voting on the ousting of one state's rep, and in a general election, maybe it would be best for only the states population to vote on that. But I would hear arguments from other states if they felt harmed by my rep. Maybe harmed states, by way of sinister manipulation of contracts, for example, other states should be included in the vote. Complicated, perhaps, but some things just are.
 
I love my country, it's our government I can't stand!
Our country was to be filled with hope and dreams
yeah right not for the average citizen!
We open our doors to foreigners and give them money to start a business
heck they don't even have to pay taxes for two years I think it is
But Me? I was born here, what rights do I have?
where's MY money to start a business?
Where's MY tax breaks? Congress passed these laws to 'help' our economy
by giving the little guy ahead start, but ONLY if that person is a foreigner!
Our entire governing system sucks
I think it was Gandhi who said, "Western civilization, sounds like a good idea!
 
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