The universal table converter

[Itchigo]

I don't feel like retyping this, so here's a link::)
http://roguepinball.com/index.php/topic,516.msg2301/topicseen.html#new

Understand, if it's from Rascal, it has the capability to end all life as we know it......

 

[faralos]

huh? I read all that and still it escapes me

 

[StevOz]

OK I'll try and reiterate it for all you lower IQ types..

Basically what it means is that rather then releasing a mod of an existing recreated table, you release a difference file. That file is then applied to the original VP creation and a new file is created from the original to produce a the modified table file.

Thus you are releasing work that does not include any of the original work. So no need for permission.

 

[Itchigo]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What he said, Exactly.:)

 

[Shockman]

I think what is hard to understand is not what a .diff file is or what it does, or even the purpose here, but the reasoning. Explanations like above are what is hard to understand.

Thus you are releasing work that does not include any of the original work.

Thus? As if a .vpt file includes the original, though the work of the original is still there, and with this .diff idea still there to every fraction of a degree.

Call people stupid, good grief. It is apparently your wish that they are. I doubt that anyone is as stupid as this idea is counting on. But it is the VP community, stranger things have happened.

So no need for permission.

This is just nothing less than bullshit. Those that would buy that would not care about permissions with .vpt files either.

We all know that, so, we are talking about website policy. Fuck, 'oz, just let people post unauthorized .vpt mod files if your objective is to allow unauthorized mods. 'it's easier for you, it's easier for them, it's easier for everybody.

 

[Shockman]

Just because it is not a .vpt file. This IS a joke right? Sorry Steve, I should have known. It's something you would expect to read April 1st though, not Jan. 1st.

 

[Itchigo]

When I first heard about this, my first thought was whoever was trying to get a loophole in the modding policy. I mean, the user is doing the actual modding, as he is allowed for himself. We're only supplying him with the means to do so. And technically, that's what's going on. But this is an interesting program to be able to do this. I don't really "mod" myself. I have a couple, I'm updating for myself, table objects, and to fs Direct B2s. When I can, I'd like to share them.

 

[StevOz]

Fuck, 'oz

Shockman you just lost any credibility to your post just there, also the bullshit quip did nothing to validate your opinions.

You will never, it seems understand, that to belittle/insult the one that posts, rather then the content of that post is never a good idea or going to add any validity to your opinion.


Also your follow up post...

Just because it is not a .vpt file. This IS a joke right? Sorry Steve, I should have known. It's something you would expect to read April 1st though, not Jan. 1st.

I'll admit it could be considered a dubious call, though, when all is said and done. It means the original with all it's table history is required to create the new mod and this must be created by the end user, not the person that created the difference file.

 

[Shockman]

You will never, it seems understand, that to belittle/insult the one that posts, rather then the content of that post is never a good idea or going to add any validity to your opinion.

OK I'll try and reiterate it for all you lower IQ types..

Anything I said personally was brought on by those quotes of yours. And what you reiterated is just the propaganda, not anything that could be confusing about the process.

This would be very bad policy. When something is modded with permission that is one thing. Can't you see this is hacking Steve? They, the original authors, would not care if you used a .vpt or a .diff. because as far as end result from the same source there is no difference.

 

[StevOz]

To be personal one would post or quote names...

Bad policy to read anything into posts that is not written by that poster.

 

[faralos]

still have a problem figuring out the diff between a vpt file and a diff one
must be due to my low IQ of 146!
if anyone wants to drop these things into one of my pins
they still better give me credit for the actual build of said pin
else wise it's just another case of ripping off someone else's work imo anyways

 

[Itchigo]

See what gets me, is I don't quite see the difference between posting the difference file, and the mod itself, because the difference file IS the mod to me. Even if it doesn't have a .vpt. I have not started to use this yet, but I am considering it.

 

[Shockman]

OK I'll try and reiterate it for all you lower IQ types..

This is personal in my opinion. It is directed at people and adds nothing to the 'explanation' but an insult.

Basically what it means is that rather then releasing a mod of an existing recreated table, you release a difference file. That file is then applied to the original VP creation and a new file is created from the original to produce a the modified table file.

So you disagree or no?

Thus you are releasing work that does not include any of the original work. So no need for permission.

So you disagree or no?

This is not just an idea for an application in this event. It is hacking and you of all people in your position should not be 'explaining' it to us lower IQ types, but calling it for what it is. You have to admit that by your explanation (in your own words) that it comes across as support.

 

[Shockman]

See what gets me, is I don't quite see the difference between posting the difference file, and the mod itself, because the difference file IS the mod to me. Even if it doesn't have a .vpt. I have not started to use this yet, but I am considering it.

Of course it is. You can't play a .vpt file either without VP, and VP does not play .diff files. Anyone that uses this to release mods of tables that have been marked or expressed as not allowed should be beat up. Anyone that hosts these files should be beat up once and once again when they recover..

 

[StevOz]

To tell you the truth I think all mods of recreated tables should be allowed with or without the blessing of those that recreated them beforehand. I have always thought so and whenever community polls were taken, voted in that direction.

That said the majority of the community voted the other way and those mod rules were put in place, thus I will enforce them, until such time that policy changes.

As for the difference file, I guess we would have to consider a vote, though I can see it having at least some useful application when using template tables.

 

[Shockman]

Oh, the stealing from thieves rule. I understand the reasoning, I just don't agree with it. I think they should be allowed, but if they aren't, what are you going to do? Vote to steal it? Rethink that, just for your own sake.

If the template was hundreds of megs then a .diff for the mod might be logical, regardless of the size, unless it's close or bigger in size.

 

[faralos]

only problem I see with not giving credit when modding is if someone puts out a shitty mod
then it may come back to the original table builder as a crappy table
when he or she had no hand in the mod itself
then that person rep gets trashed all due to a crap mod

 

[Shockman]

If credit is not given, then it might not even be associated with the original.

If mod policy is changed here to allow hosting of unauthorized mods then the entire database of tables should be deleted and authors can decide if they want to upload based on that new policy.

Even the suggestion that we vote on a policy that would do that is disturbing to the point where I regret ever uploading here and ask that my work be removed.

 

[JonPurpleHaze]

I tend to agree with Shockman about this subject, just found out about .diff files and don't want unauthorized mods uploaded on this site.