Check Your Spine and Tell Me if This is True for You

[sleepy]

And especially if you have health issues. Take your index and middle fingers and press them in the spaces between the bones (the vertebrae). In those spaces where the cartilage pads used to be. And especially in the cartilage pad zones above and below the main neck joint where the neck joins the spine at the top.

Do you feel a burning, itching, swollen or bruised pain when you do that?
Sometimes like an insect bite?

I noticed that after vomiting or managing to dump the old bilge pile-ups, that the pains I feel there diminish or vanish. Just something that I noticed.
For some reason, throwing up sorts out a stiff neck or backache, including lower backaches around the kidneys. At least for me.

Is there a better way to detox? Maybe I'm short on good fats and magnesium?

 

[StevOz]

I can't help but feel you maybe a victim of your own self diagnostics, pressing random pressure points in your upper spine is not a good idea. I'm feeling it can and has triggered various random pains here in my right elbow for instance, a burning sensation, that's enough just don't do that.

Shrugging your shoulders or shaking your head no problem, though applying pressure to spots on your body that generally are never touched unless attacked by Spock maybe not such a good idea.

 

[Coil_Smoke]

Chiropracty By Proxy ?

After a puking and retching spell I have noticed a sense of relaxation in my neck shoulders and back. Massive release of endorphins? Maybe those muscles attain a better base state after all that involuntary contracting? :dead2: ukel::repuke:uker:

 

[faralos]

I am the exact opposite when I get sick
(twenty hospital visits since Jan for UTI's and kidney stone probs
along with the upset stomach) I get a stiff neck from retching into a toilet
maybe it is the position I usually end up in (lying with my head on the seat)
and sometimes sitting on the floor from exhaustion)
but when I get sick in the hospital I do not get that stiff neck at all
just tummy cramps from puking for hours on end

 

[faralos]

oh and otc benadryl (childrens allergy relief)relieves the sickness symptoms faster than prescription Ondansetron (zolaf) does

 

[StevOz]

I've always found a natural herb does it for me, bit of Mary Jane is a cure all ahead of most synthesised and concocted pharmaceutical substitutes.

 

[Isaac Sauvage]

i haven't vomited for a while, but often induce the gag reflex in order to stop the hiccups (works like magic). anyway, i would def. not be surprised if vomiting led to endorphin release (plus whatever else). i mean, it can be weirdly pleasant... like chain-sneezing, having a high fever, and pulling scabs.

btw dunno if i mentioned it here, but flu shots are apparently extremely useful for warding off strokes and heart attacks in winter. from what i've read, this is because bodily inflammation has a clot-producing effect in the blood stream.

so sleepy-- i have regular back trouble, but nothing like you mention. i'm completely unfamiliar with any of that. but there are many ways to detox from what i've read. cilantro, powdered clay, juice fasts, colon cleanses... even just a high-fibre diet probably helps with that a lot. for one thing, because the body already has built-in detox systems, and when fiber helps slow down 'garbage in' it probably helps the bottom line so to speak.

which reminds me... i really need to get back to yoga and meditation.

 

[Itchigo]

Not me. I went to a Chiro several years ago, just to get a checkup for the hell of it. I used to think I was Superman as a kid, by the time I was 14 I could make my Aunt's car's tires chirp by pushing it sideways (1980 Nova). I moved pool tables, jukeboxes, pins, and video games when I was in the business with my dad. Then as a trucker I'd think nothing of uprighting a 55 gallon drum that had fallen over (between 375-775 depending on the contents). In fact I'd have the drum uprighted before the forklift came back for it.

Anyway I had a bit of nerve pain (pinched nerve) so I went to see my wife's guy for the hell of it to see how bad off I was. Nothing. This can't be right... He said everything was perfectly in line, no signs of wear, etc. I was like how can this be?

My back doesn't seem to care about what the weight is, but it does succumb to repetitive motion. Lifting something 8 times at 50 lbs has much more effect than lifting 1 400 lb item. I know, I'm weird. (My wife thinks I'm an alien....)

 

[Isaac Sauvage]

Itchigo, it sounds like possible overlap on the classic problem of strong guys gassing more easily. Millions of science-y articles on all that, take your pick.

 

[Itchigo]

Gassing? What's that? Can't be what it sounds like or I have the Gold Medal long ago....

Never read any of the articles. Never paid attention to any of it.

 

[Isaac Sauvage]

hah... that's the spirit!

 

[Itchigo]

I was totally oblivious as a kid. I used to watch wresting and say "ok this guy says he's the world's strongest man. He can lift xxxlbs. Ok, I can lift almost that entire amount, wtf?" "Something aint right..."

I wasn't remotely built like those guys either. I was a tall skinny kid. Then when I was 42 I got into working out (moving machines was all I did as a kid) and became much stronger than when I was a kid. I never had much definition, just bulk.

I still have the knot on my right index finger to remind me. I have this "bump" next to my right index finger knucle, so I asked a doctor about it. I told him the things I was doing, and that I had no pain- it was just there, and hardened. I'm guessing I was about 13-14 when I noticed this. What the doctor said was I had probably squeezed some marrow out of the bone and it hardened, attached to the finger. It's still there, rock hard, but as I've gotten older it has detached itself and moves a bit now. It was a "part of my finger" until a few years ago.

From what I remember "Gassing" was taking something like steroids or other?

 

[Isaac Sauvage]

interesting story. the one thing that reminds me of is calcification. our team's center (brooklyn nets) had an atypical year once because calcium built up in the soft tissue of one arm, making it weaker and less mobile.

anyway, gassing is a term from combat sports, like MMA. guys who do too much strength training often find themselves getting winded quicker (i.e. gassing, as in 'out of gas' i suppose). slow-twitch muscle tissue requires more energy and builds up lactic acid quicker than fast-twitch and other tissue... i think is the concept at work.

brock lesnar has had this problem at times.

 

[Itchigo]

Ahh, ok. I thought gassing= juicing or similar to. I had bulk like that, but never much definition. My arms never looked like that until I was 42.:) My chest never has.

Yeah, gassing would be a factor with me. I was never good in the long haul. I could even sprint faster than you'd think for my size- but it was all on sheer leg power. I have to move pretty fast at work (in my new job), so I still have the speed. But I'm keeping up with a girl half my age and 110lbs at the most. Trust me, there aint much faster than that...

I guess that thing on my finger could be calcification, but why at a young age, and no other places? I'm guessing the doctor was right though. Young bones, not fully developed. Major force going on, something's got to give.

 

[faralos]

I too suffer from moving things I shouldn't have I weighed at the time about
155 and moved/cleaned/repaired pins, shuffle alleys, pool tables, jukes and cig machines
popped my knee doing it too (torn miniscus) and probably screwed up my back but
ya' do what ya' gotta' do to keep a job and anyways in my twenties I was bulletproof
nowadays though I tend to feel more bullet Ridden

 

[Shooby Doo]

The best thing I ever did for my back/spine/neck was lifting weights. I'm glad I got started when I did (at 30) and am 37 now and hope I can keep it up until I'm an old man. Bench pressing, overhead presses, bent-over rows, squatting, dead lifts... I know you always here about people messing themselves up with that stuff, but done properly and with good form it's totally safe. Gotta keep your ego in check.

I also eat really healthy and keep an eye on calories. And drink green tea, and get good sleep, run twice a week, and meditate twice a day... OK, it takes some discipline, but damn, it's worth it and once you develop the routine, it's actually very enjoyable and you feel physically good most of the time, and get sick a lot less. I think my main goal is simply that I don't want to become an old man who's constantly complaining about his knees and back and quality of life goes to shit.

Though I also really like good beer and smoke weed daily, so there's that too.

which reminds me... i really need to get back to yoga and meditation.

I've never done any yoga... the closest I've done is Tai-Chi and Chi-Gong, but I've had a hard time keeping up with them for more than a couple months. It's just too time consuming, though I started meditating when I was 18 and it's crazy what it's turned into now. Probably the best skill I've picked up... it's not just about the moment during meditation, but how it changes your thinking/perception in everyday life. Not that my life is perfect, far from it, but I can deal with it :) .

 

[Coil_Smoke]

Hey 'Shooby Doo', about meditation. Could you expand on what that really means? Does sitting and thinking about what ever count?

 

[Isaac Sauvage]

I've never done any yoga... the closest I've done is Tai-Chi and Chi-Gong, but I've had a hard time keeping up with them for more than a couple months. It's just too time consuming, though I started meditating when I was 18 and it's crazy what it's turned into now. Probably the best skill I've picked up... it's not just about the moment during meditation, but how it changes your thinking/perception in everyday life. Not that my life is perfect, far from it, but I can deal with it :) .

i've done tai chi as well, although rather briefly. i actually didn't like it too much because of the technical / combat aspect, if you know what i mean. i prefer yoga because it's simple, practical and purely health-intended. assuming you do it as a class, you hardly need to memorise forms, read books or take on (silly elaborate) concepts.

that's fantastic about the meditation. i've been doing it off and on for years. there are times when it just seems like the perfect tranquil shelter and other times when i can't seem to get anything out of it. like, brick wallsville. but i find it also goes very nicely with breathing and self-reflection. as an artist-writer type, reflection is like money in the bank to me.

 

[sleepy]

I like meditating on live ambient sounds. Like a distant rain, or the nearby sounds of people and (NO RACERS/BURNING RUBBER) cars passing by while I rest while parked behind the wheel with my eyes closed drifting off in a hypnagogic state, and/or the same while sitting in a park.

I love drifting off while listening to windstorms outside the window, and sometimes imagine the sound to be that of the sea. It often does sound like "Sky Oceans" to me.

 

[sleepy]

And I have always enjoyed waking up momentarily around 3 A.M. as the world around me sleeps to hear the drone of a distant Piper Cub above me as I fall back to sleep,
though...not a plane or eye in the sky copter buzzing and shaking my apartment rooftop.

 

[Isaac Sauvage]

The wind tends to shriek against the sides of the building, so no to windstorms. The rain is great, tho. Not quite the oceanside, but fine... so fine.

 

[Isaac Sauvage]

this isn't tai chi.

 

[StevOz]

That's tri chi?

So is this ji chi?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-qhj3sJ5qs

 

[faralos]

boy is that ever addictive to watch

 

[GSGregg]

Yeah---those ouatdaphockasaurs are really smart. I can't wait for part 2.