Did We Blow It Up?

[shiva]

Hmm, that was something that never occurred to me Yogi, different languages may be a barrier as well. I guess se4 could have had different language versions quite easily, as all that really needed to be done was translate the menu and the built in help system written in the script into different languages

 

[Wizards_Hat]

Hmm, that was something that never occurred to me Yogi, different languages may be a barrier as well. I guess se4 could have had different language versions quite easily, as all that really needed to be done was translate the menu and the built in help system written in the script into different languages

It's never occurred to me either about how difficult coding must be for English as a 2nd language...I've always taken for granted the specific langauge used e.g. "If...then...do...loop...sub...function..." the list goes on - even for a native English speaker these words are used in a fairly unusual syntax in coding.
I'm just glad I'm English! I can't get to grips with other languages at all, so I'm sure I'd have no chance coding if I wasn't!

Regards,
Dan.

 

[Meecro Hyperion]

I've always taken for granted the specific langauge used e.g. "If...then...do...loop...sub...function..." the list goes on

That's one reason C & C++ grew so fast - the pre-processor can be used to turn all the keywords from a target language into the built-in keywords. Then procs can be called whatever you want (like any procedural language).
There's code out there an English speaker would _not_ be able to maintain.....
Seen any native Russian C? Forget it!

 

[Isaac Sauvage]

paul, if you happen to read this-
thanks very much for understanding. you're a good man.

 

[Shockman]

But holding grudges (against people who have left the community a L-O-N-G time ago) is what VP is about

Smilie or not, I think you believe that. People that had not left as well, as long as you wished as it seems that they had.

It was not, and never was after certain people decided they needed to govern it, what it could and should have been. And it most certainly could have been something very special indeed. Very special. The interest in pinball is big enough to have a lifetime community. But the people that stepped up to the job of running the place did so because they wanted to run a place for reason of running a place. I don't know if they wanted a pinball community or not, but I will always know that if they did that they wanted it for certain people.

less Jon

 

[Shockman]

But holding grudges (against people who have left the community a L-O-N-G time ago) is what VP is about

Smilie or not, I think you believe that. People that had not left as well, as long as you wished as it seems that they had.

It was not, and never was after certain people decided they needed to govern it, what it could and should have been. And it most certainly could have been something very special indeed. Very special. The interest in pinball is big enough to have a lifetime community. But the people that stepped up to the job of running the place did so because they wanted to run a place for reason of running a place. I don't know if they wanted a pinball community or not, but I will always know that if they did that they wanted it for certain people.

less Jon

 

[shiva]

Wow shockie. No matter how long you know a person, sometimes you get a surprise and makes you rethink somethings about that person.

Your still a pain in the ass though.

 

[Noah Fentz]

My goal is to bring new interest to the scene. It's great to have some long-time members, but that is simply not enough.

One by one, they will ride off into the sunset, leaving a ghost town in their wake.

New and contributing members are what's needed, in my opinion, for the interest in VP to flourish again. It's only natural for the energy to wane after being active and involved for a lengthy time. Especially when there is nothing new for long-timers to be had. It's like watching the same movie over and over again. The newness and excitement is great the first time you see it, but it gets old eventually.

New and fresh is what the community's needed for some time. I've been around since '05, and that may not be long enough for some of you to consider me qualified, but the decline in interest and cooperation was evident from my first days. The way noob questions were met was abhorrent and the scene was simply to "cliquie". My hope is that a new site with a new approach will accomplish a renewed vigor in the scene.

That's why I created a site. If it was just to run one, I could have just focused on the five others I already spend way too much time on.

My only wish now is that those harboring ill feelings can get past them and work together to ensure a future for VP.

I find it crazy that once an argument begins, every subsequent post thereafter is perceived as a jab or insult. Even in other, non-related topics! The recent exchange between Shiva and I comes to mind. There was nothing heated or angry about either of our posts, yet others felt they had to interject as though there was a problem. It just seems to snowball from there most of the time. Our private correspondence proves quite the contrary.

...Oh, and not be so judgmental of others when you haven't a clue who anyone truly is, that would be nice, too. :)

 

[Shockman]

Yeah, a big pain in the ass.

But I was a contributor as well. Non contributors, those that just want tables to download don't care about the civil unrest.

My situation was not different from anyone elses in fact, just in execution. Anyone was at risk of being shut out if they pointed out what was wrong. And there was a lot of wrong till the day it closed.

VPF is not missed. Not by me, and not by a whole lot of others, many of which gave up on it much longer ago than I did.

I don't know if shiva is the same shiva that was there before I even was, but if you are, you know that I was either never a pain in that ass, or was a pian in the ass for only trying to get my point across. If you are the same shiva you know that the point was something that needed to be put out there.

If you are not a pain in the ass when you are dissed, like having only your words in a war of words deleted, being called a liar by people that deleted there posts in order to call you one, or lied to, or see the community lied about you, lied to about being able to post, to come back and banned when you do and many other like things, then I really don't care what you think, because if you can't speak up for your self, i'm not much interested.

I don't think it applies to you, just pointing out that you words would make it appear so. You know as well as anyone that I was not a pain in the ass, but the truth in what I was saying was a pain in some asses.

Treating me like there was something I needed to learn. I will be the same in every forum I will be. I will not be a pain in the ass, but if I am mistreated again for not taking my side of an equal exchange deleted, and yes I mean my opinion of equal, then I will certainly be concieved of being a pain in the ass.

The staff ruined VPF. Even if VPF would have fell because of the constant complaints I made after the staff in effect said to me that I can say nothing and anyone could say anything about me, then it would still have been the fault of VPF staff.

What do you want? VPF to come back, to go on forever? If it did, it would be just like it always was. What is was was wonderful, and flawed by people that should have taken the flaws out the best they could. I think they could have. That Staypuft dude fucked up VPF about as much as anyone could fuck up anything. Some could say that he had a right, or that it was only fucked up because I would not take what was going on, or I fucked it up, but I think those that would say that know better.

VPF was there when it was needed. That's all you can ask of anything. I STILL got a lot out of it, and I know may others have too.

 

[Shockman]

My goal is to bring new interest to the scene. It's great to have some long-time members, but that is simply not enough.

One by one, they will ride off into the sunset, leaving a ghost town in their wake.

New and contributing members are what's needed, in my opinion, for the interest in VP to flourish again. It's only natural for the energy to wane after being active and involved for a lengthy time. Especially when there is nothing new for long-timers to be had. It's like watching the same movie over and over again. The newness and excitement is great the first time you see it, but it gets old eventually.

New and fresh is what the community's needed for some time. I've been around since '05, and that may not be long enough for some of you to consider me qualified, but the decline in interest and cooperation was evident from my first days. The way noob questions were met was abhorrent and the scene was simply to "cliquie". My hope is that a new site with a new approach will accomplish a renewed vigor in the scene.

That's why I created a site. If it was just to run one, I could have just focused on the five others I already spend way too much time on.

My only wish now is that those harboring ill feelings can get past them and work together to ensure a future for VP.

I find it crazy that once an argument begins, every subsequent post thereafter is perceived as a jab or insult. Even in other, non-related topics! The recent exchange between Shiva and I comes to mind. There was nothing heated or angry about either of our posts, yet others felt they had to interject as though there was a problem. It just seems to snowball from there most of the time. Our private correspondence proves quite the contrary.

...Oh, and not be so judgmental of others when you haven't a clue who anyone truly is, that would be nice, too. :)

Your site is cool. But I don't understand how another site is expected to bring people together. Seems to me that it could have the effect of doing the opposite. We have had Jon and this great site and it was certainly needed to bring some of us together, another good riddence uttered for the likes of VPF. But I would bet my bottom dollar that you are not playing host to a single member that would not be welcome at this forum and great database.

 

[Noah Fentz]

There's more to come, Shocky...MUCH more.

:)

 

[Shockman]

It's nice to see you here as well.

Good luck with your site. You know that you can make anything you want out of it. You also can rule it any way you want. You can make it as liberal or strict as you wish it to be and it would be just as good either way. As long as people are expected to be under the same rules, and they percive that they are, and you care if they think they are not, it will be a better site than any have maintained to be and certainly better that VPF.com has been since you could count the members.

 

[panootz]

Shockman, i've always liked the way you helped people, i don't think you started any problems at vpf, I think when you talked and said what you meant others got upset and then you got upset and just repeated things over again. I would have said something and then just wouldn't post on that link again. People just thought you complained too much, i do understand what you went through some people said ugly things about you, but you have too ignore it, you know thiers ASSHOLES everywhere you go, you can't hide from them. Noah right he said in a post on his forum that he has many ideas and i know he's right i can't wait for them, like the pinball tornaments i suck at pinball but i will still try the tornament and see how well i do. I love his site much more then the old vpf much more going on, so here's too you Paul keep up the good work your site is fun. I still can't wait until the S.A.M. system gets emulated i really miss Family Guy i havn't played it in 8 months. we don't have any of the new Stern games where i live and it really FUCKING SUCKS, sorry about the bad language but i really want too play Spiderman, C.S.I. and 24 badly but i probebly never will until it they get emulated, it's just too bad because we have many bars and none of them have Video Games or Pinball. Talk to you guys soon, Dave P.

 

[Shockman]

I like the site very much. I'm sure it can be great. I was just pointing out that content is not the only thing a site needs. I have no reason to believe that the site is not being run fairly.