Drug Cops!

Those cops are dead wrong. The U.S. Supreme Court rejected an appeal to make it illegal to record police officers on the job. Which stays a lower court ruling that declared the recording of officers while on the job to be a matter of Free Speech.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...crawford-counties-police-officers-enforcement

And secondly, in California where this incident occurred, the people have the Right to document all public employees and representatives and their activities while on the job. We can record them. We can record phone conversations without revealing the matter to the employee. And this is because it is part of what is known as The Sunshine Laws of California. Open government.

Part of this legality to document stems from the Sovereignty of the government belonging to the people and not government unto itself against the people. This according to The State Constitution. And that pot shop has the Right to sue the police for destroying those cameras. And that probably means that those cops could also be in trouble for destroying evidence.

The legality of pot shops is still murky in the eyes of the government, however, the Rights guaranteed by our State Constitution would protect it. Our government is acting on its own, in spite of our State Constitution. In fact, the matter of medical marijuana was also put to the voters and we approved it many years ago, even as our Constitution protects it by default.
 
Totally illegal behaviour by all those Police, though why are they allowed to behave like that in the first instance, will they lose their jobs, entitlements and be charged?
 
Okay. there's more to the story. The pot shop did not win a permit to operate.
Apparently, the city of Santa Ana instituted a lottery system to award 20 pot shop permits. This is probably reasonable due to the matter of excessive proliferation. In my area of Los Angeles, we at one time had Three pot shops on the same intersection; one on three of the four street corners. Like too many pot shops.

The proprietors are claiming that the city officials have been seeking bribes for favoritism.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-santa-ana-pot-raid-policy-lawsuit-20150615-story.html
 
Oh yeah. Removing the cameras so they can play darts, harrass the people and sample the wares just ain't cool. It represents a Conflict of Stupidity...performance of duty.
The cops can't engage in the behaviors that they are busting.
 
It would appear that the officer who sampled the goods was not considering pot to be illegal, only the permit status of the shop. So apparently, he sees no problem in the products themselves. However and obviously, a cop cannot engage in use of intoxicants while on the job. The same as sampling the beer at a neighborhood bar.

So if there was pot in the sample, then his goose is cooked. But sampling a non-intoxicant product may be dismissed as long as the shop keep consented to his sampling. It still represents a coercive action and is considered to be qn inappropriate behavior given the intent to raid.
 
i read a fascinating op-ed a few weeks ago about what makes for good cops and bad cops in the USA. it was written by a career cop who decided to get out after many years, and had to do more specifically about race relations between the force and american blacks.

anyway, he estimated that roughly 10-15% of a precinct's officers would follow the letter of the law no matter what, but the rest of the group were highly susceptible to whatever culture was at large in their group. in effect, this wound up dividing the other 85-90% roughly in half between precincts that were 'good' or 'bad' in how they dealt with things.

this high susceptibility to group-think is of course natural to humans, and is demonstrated by such experiments as that famous ivy-league study involving students who took on roles of prisoners and guards.

i think, particularly in the USA, it would help if more people looked at cops in those terms. like, when you're dealing with a cop, it would help to think of it as an interaction between a human performing the role of a citizen dealing with a human performing the role of cop... both part of their mostly separate cultures... both having their specific agendas.

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besides not having a permit, one thing that it sounds like the dispensary might have neglected was to read the culture of their local law enforcement. that is, protest is all very well and good until it runs in to the merciless grinding wheel of life.

but yeah no question those cops sound like some real a-holes who deserve firing and paying damages.
 
Interesting Ike, actually police here are not allowed to serve in the same station for longer then 3 years and are transferred to a different station usually before that period.

Perhaps a policy US police should be adopting.
 
StevOz said:
Interesting Ike, actually police here are not allowed to serve in the same station for longer then 3 years and are transferred to a different station usually before that period.

Perhaps a policy US police should be adopting.
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That was a weird video. Usually police in the states are really nice to white people.
As a former police officer (or, to be exact, Service Officer II, which means "no gun", goddammit!), I can say that a similar policy, while being a very small change, would make a big difference. I can think of one officer who haunted Northeast Wichita (yep, the black part of town) for the whole 10 years I was with the department. He was even nicknamed "Dirty Harry", because he was such an asshole. After several interactions with him, I can honestly say I don't think he was racist. He was just a person who wasn't very smart, was given too much power and loved to use it. I recently noticed an article about him in the old home-town paper... and it wasn't about how he rescued a kitten from a tree (seems his nickname and the actions that earned it finally reached our alert local reporters... after 15 years). I can only imagine that, were he transferred out after three years, he wouldn't have assumed NE Wichita as his own personal fiefdom. Although all the transfers in the world wouldn't make him any smarter.
And that, gentlemen, is the problem with American police departments. It's not about race. It's about stupid people with weapons. Let's say you just graduated high school and college "just isn't for you". You could get a job working at McDonalds for $7.50 an hour, or you can be a police officer starting at $30,000 a year. Being a bit of a pinko, I have nothing against high-school graduates not quite on the ball enough for college earning $30,000 a year. I do not believe that all of them should be handed a badge and gun.
You see what happens? I take a vacation for a couple weeks, all those words build up inside of me and then boom! Verbal diarrhea.
 
it was lonely while you were gone. OTOH, there were UFO's. :)
 
Ike, do you mean The Stanford Prison Experiment in 1971? There is also The Milgram Experiment at Yale in 1961 which involved handing false authority to 'a teacher' who administered shocks to an actor posing as 'the learner'. But 'the teacher' was the subject of the experiment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#The_experiment
 
The Mil;gram Experiment is notable for giving the subject of the experiment the power of authority over the life of another, and how quickly the subject abuses that power.
 
Ike Savage said:
it was lonely while you were gone. OTOH, there were UFO's. :)
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Dammit! Just my luck! And me in need of a good probing.

@Steve Sledgehammer! Man, I haven't thought of that in a couple of decades. Was there anyone who watched Sledgehammer that wasn't secretly wishing for a Naked Gun team-up with Leslie Nielsen?
 
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There you go. :) The show is also available on free Hulu (see those embedded links above Mr. Gabriel) and I've had some luck with the Hola browser and region unlocking.
The comment about ABC is just a poor joke, made in jest to draw attention to Those Embedded Links.
The US of A ABC Network has always been associated with Disney Studios and is currently owned by them. Sledge Hammer! was on ABC.
 
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