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[Shockman]

OK PcwaG I admit when I am wrong. You should have skipped the post.

Cows eat grass
Only cows eat grass

(Just to bring it back)

 

[Pop Bumper Pete]

You are correct Shockman
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If you returned to VPForums and obeyed the rules, everybody would ignore you
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I mean, the last table you finished was 4-5 years ago
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Sure the BTTF fix was good, but that was also long time ago

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But, you come here, be an obnoxious little turd, and we all trip over ourselves posting, trying to convince you to change your ‘evil’ ways


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You are right, we are the idiots

 

[Shockman]

Was there an offer in there somewhere Pete? Or am I just tripping?

You are right, we are the idiots

Where did that come from?

 

[Shockman]

Yes, Valamir posted your name, once
it stayed up on the site for less than an hour
he has not done it again
Val learned his lesson

Shockman makes vulgar posts
he makes them often
he gets disiplined for making them
he continues to make vulgar posts
Shockman cannot learn lesson

Damn what a spin doctor you are Pete. Congratulations, you are not too bad at it either.
Less than an hour. That sounds a lot better than he refused to do anything about it for almost an hour doesn't it?

he has not done that again, Val learned his lesson.

Oh you're good.
Did he now? I could say that he did learn his lesson and that was that he could do anything he pleased. He did go straight to my profile page and stink that up. It seems that he is going to be the first person in history to publish a thankyou next to a death notice in the news paper, if he out lives me. Did you get yours yet? Give him a minute if not.

Poor abused Val. And poor abused Pete. Perhaps you should keep my membership from me. I would not want to make you cry.

 

[Shockman]

And that's me putting a nice spin on it. Actually, he spent the next hour defending his action.

There is a bit of positive spin on the second point too, because he did not stop there either.

It's funny that TMFP and Bob would say that Val was reacting to something and that they can understand that.

Everything I did was reacting and I know they can understand that as well. I always have, and now you all know it too.

There is nothing wrong with staff groups having the ability to punish, but there certainly are methods that should be used and methods that should not be used.

That I would never stop is a lie. Even if they think so, it is a lie because they don't know that, and they have not been willing to test that. That neither side has stopped is true. What good does it do you to speak of a pile of things I have left, when you know there is another pile beside it? My guess is that it makes you feel good to pretend that my pile stands alone.

I have never asked us to compare piles, all I have done is asked you to show one thing in the my that does not have a counter part in yours. And because it is obvious that there is nothing on the top of the pile, I have offered you to dig deeper if you wanted to. To previous bans or actions.

I cuss more than any of you. But I don't have the lazy luxury of buttons to push, and things to take away from you. I would not use them if I did. That's what pisses me off the most. That you can attack, abuse, ban, take away, and such, when all you have to do is do your little part in ending it.

A long time ago, before any of this trouble with this current staff, I PMed TMFP and said i hope we could be friends. He responded that that is not going to happen because we have nothing in common. Nothing in common? I was not asking to be his real life buddy and show up unexpected or anything. I was talking about being friendly to each other on the forum.

After I was let back from the year ban that happened after my lung popped and I recovered for the most part, I put a friendship request on TMFP's profile page. That went unanswered for a week before I took it down.

There is no reason that we can not get along, and there is actually no reason why we need to be friendly towards each other to get along. And that is what I want, and have always wanted. It is what I am willing to do, and what I am commited to. I don't ask for any special treatment, and I don't suggest thing that would make the site a worse place, and when I get attacked when I am making such an effort it seems componded and often futile and upsets me and it sure seems that it is by design.

I have never made an unauthorized mod and offered it up.
I have never lied about my contributions.
I have not asked for credit that I did not deserve.
I have not defamed anybody, or give my opinion on contributions and tables that I thought were a weak effort.
I have never failed to defend anyone when I thought they were being unfairly attacked, no matter what I though of them personally.
I don't post porn, or implant virus.
I don't attack people unless they are attacking me, or trying a covert action to take from me.
I don't fail to help anyone when I have the ability to do so.
I don't keep from anyone, resorces and techniques they could use.
I don't complain about the subjects people bring up.
I don't ignore questions.
I don't try to influence the staff to get rid of people I don't like.
I don't ever say that a member should not be a member because I don't like them.
I don't deserve to be banned from VPF. If I do, I'm certainly not the only one.

There is what others might want to call a negative side to me.

I expect just as much from any staffer than any member.
I expect the staff and members to have the exact same set of rules of conduct to follow.
I don't play tit for tat. I play you are free to do it how you want, then I am free to do it how I want. For just one example, if instead of me complaining about the insult on my profile page I mesured my response and desided to insult him on his profile page. Do you think that is the way, or that it would have made the site worse, not better. That's what I think. The last part, and that's why I tried to stop it, not join it.
I don't give in when I am right, or even if it is my opinion that I am right.
I cuss when I'm upset.
I get upset when I am treated unfairly by someone.
I don't look at bans as a reasonable way to mold me into something nobody would want to be.
I don't believe wrong could be right for some.
I only look at the bright side when there is a bright side.

Any one, any group, or the list in total just does not strick me as reason that I should not have my membership, but as usual, I ask for everyones help in the building of the negative list, because if the ban is going to stand for any time period, I would feel a lot better about it if I can see just one thing that would say to me, yes I should indeed not be a member of the community.

Anything would have a chance of working, except for something like you have not built a table in a long time, or you have not came up with a good enough technique or method to make the hobby better in a long time. I would give such remarks the consideration they are due. Zero.

 

[Pop Bumper Pete]

I don't lie.

I have never started a conflict with any member or staffer.
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Right

I seem to remember you misrepresenting yourself as a moderator once

 

[Shockman]

Yes, I did do that once. The purpose was not to start a conflict, but it did, so I took that off the list, as well the line that said that I don't lie.

Thank you.

If there is anything else you would like taken down from the good list or added to the bad list, Tis the season. Don't hesitate to mention it. I'll even relent and add that I have not released a complete table for years, if you really think that should be on my bad list.

 

[StevOz]

Steve. I can edit my posts. I can even edit my avatar.

You can even edit my avatar if you believe that it is not appropriate to do something just because it seems appropriate at the time.

My thread went more off topic more than the gamepad thread that you felt compelled to split into two threads one being this one here. One thing I can't and wont do though is to edit any post in this thread. This is not my thread, it is yours. That is because my thread is still full of off topic and irrelevancy.

You can and in my opinion should delete this thread, but that's up to you. Just know that you would be wasting your time to ask me to edit anything in it. Know as well that anything else I contribute to it is going to be at least as offensive to you as anything already here.

Emphasis added.....

 

[Shockman]

What's your point Steve? That I lied? I already took that off the list.
You should have deleted this fucking thread, you know that. "I don't delete threads" yeah, right. I hope you completed the 1,356,676,456,201 st database save with that stuff in it. LOL. I'd hate it if I ruined you database.

Split this post out 'Oz. I would like another thread. Surprise me with the title, it's so fun. Asshole.

 

[ghurka]

Whats with all this high school drama ? Whatever happened happened get over it and lets move on to things that pertain to "pinball" maybe? I've read intelligent posts made by the poo flingers and seeing them in this light is just sad. I probably painted a big red target on my arse for saying this much but oh well. All this pointless bickering makes me think of these 2 quotes.

It is better to be thought a fool than to open you mouth and remove all doubt. - Mark Twain

Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding. -Bible 'Proverbs' 17:28