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haha, yea. i thought this was mildly amusing. today i was looking up some old sites and decided to check on VPF just for S's and G's:

according to archive.org, VPF went down in early 2009 and was back online earlier this year, right about two years later. although not exactly in the same form.

couldn't resist dropping by here and sharing the big news. :p
 
Hi Nic,, Glad to see that you are still on the VP net.
I was very worried about your last exit.

Rick
 
Welcome back, Nic! Even if it's a brief visit. Been lovin' that Soma FM link you sent me. Frankly, the station I sent you the link to kinda sucks in comparison. Can't wait to see all the great things AJ's done with the site!

EDIT: Well, that's just some fascinating information! Fortunately, I read English as a second language so it was very easy to follow their writing English as a second language. I've already made $10,000, my home smells nice and I learned where I can trade in my VCR!
 
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Hey Nic! :appl:

It's just like the other day....
I looked up The Class of '71 for my old school. They had their 40 year reunion you know.
Over 3,000 graduates, but at the reunion only less than 50 showed up, including the star Los Angeles City Councilman.
But back in '71 he had Nothing to do with school at all. He hung loose as the star low rider with a clean chopped white Chevy Impala decked with hydraulic suspension doing the jack dance in the street outside the school at "Smokers Corner" with the t-shirt, a sleeve rolled up to hold his pack of cigarettes while sportin' a Big Pompadour doo. Now he makes appearances in Penguin Tux while passing laws against everything he used to do, but we still do.

But that was The Class of '71.
I was The Class of '72, so I probably won't go to the reunion either...

Hey, that site is only "An Example Page".

http://www.vpforums.com/about

About
This is an example of a WordPress page, you could edit this to put information about yourself or your site so readers know where you are coming from. You can create as many pages like this one or sub-pages as you like and manage all of your content inside of WordPress.

Another Penguin.
 
Hi Nic. Nice to hear from you.

Check out the VPF.org chatroom. I go in there quite often and so does Rascal. The Big Bang Bar room has a password and it is....

youcanswearhere

There is a nice bunch of guys there.

http://vpforums.org/VPFChat/
 
@rick,
on the VP net... i guess you could say that. i haven't played VP nor visited any of the sites for years. although i do admit to curiosity about what's been going on in the scene for the last couple years.

a year and a half ago i moved from philly to cleveland to help take care of my dad, who is dying of cancer. after my mom's death, it seemed like the right thing to do at the time. but i definitely miss my old friends in philly and the doctors & counselors i had back there. getting care at the 'world famous' cleveland clinic with my medicare coverage has proved to be a rather frustrating, drawn-out process.

and you- i worry that folks in FLA are going to get hammered more and more by the passing weather systems which gradually become stronger as each year goes by. so the worry works both ways. :p


@bill,
lol... well played, as usual. you really need a mic in front of you.

re: somaFM, i still can't stop listening to that one channel of apollo mission chatter combined with ambient music. in particular, i'm addicted to hearing astronaut charley duke broadcast back to houston in the voice of WC fields: "turn around and look at the cosmic ray? turn around and look at the cosmic ray!!"

had to be there, i know.


@arne,
another penguin and another fun story. thanks.


@bob,
thanks, i'll try it now. note: had a long day, so i don't know how long i'll last...
 
vpf dot com is now a...

Here is where the first link called exactly that, "vpforums.com" goes,
Hmmm, not the vpf.com I remember!
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ah well, nice to know it's being used anyhow...
 

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there are two chat rooms, that one is the uncensored one
I don't use the chat anymore but I am fairly certain Noah
put up two so the gen pop could have one
as well as the more adult speaking and thinking people too
 
Damn, Nic sorry to hear about your dad. I've been through the same one-two punch; my dad first, then my mom. I'd like to say it gets easier... well, my psychologist seems to think so. And I at least had the luxury of... you know, not being in Cleveland. There is the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, though.
Wow, how did I miss out on that Mission Control channel! That is cool as hell! I'm a huge Apollo nerd! I even got to shake hands with Eugene Cernan, the last man on the moon! Ironically enough, I just found this document online. They seriously made Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins fill out a customs form! Departure from: Moon is pretty damn funny!
 

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@bob,
sorry for bailing suddenly from last night's chat. i had a nice time up until a certain point, but simply don't have the strength to deal with certain recurring themes. feels like my brain's melting for the 1000th time, if that makes sense.


@bill,
that's hilarious / fascinating. nice find.
incidentally, i have the director's cut of "the right stuff" cued up, but i need to actually watch it one of these nights. hopefully it will impart some interesting new information... or something along those lines. (i'm guessing you liked the book and the movie, also)

have also been revisiting the STTNG series and am struck by how amateurish and silly most of the eps are... even (or especially) compared to the body of TOS episodes. at some point i need to find a venue to squawk about such stuff, heh.


EDIT: something i saw today that i thought you guys might like:
http://izismile.com/2011/10/14/historical_figures_cleverest_verbal_retorts_32_pics.html
 
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That is sad Nic.
What are the doctors doing for your Father? I hope they're not fucking around.
Do they have any opinions about the cause of it?

The Cleveland Clinic. Is that a literal institution, or is that a phrase for "that's just the way it is"? Because if it's the latter, I've been there myself, but in Los Angeles.

Burning? Time to recharge the batteries, see another part of the forest or practice meditating on zoning out and floating away in thought, but there I like casual listening to the surroundings while taking a nap outside somewhere, maybe a park or near an open window where I can listen to the birds chirp and the cars roll past without stressing.

Sometimes the drinking water in the Ohio/Western Pennsylvania area is funky...
 
@bill,
that's hilarious / fascinating. nice find.
incidentally, i have the director's cut of "the right stuff" cued up, but i need to actually watch it one of these nights. hopefully it will impart some interesting new information... or something along those lines. (i'm guessing you liked the book and the movie, also)

have also been revisiting the STTNG series and am struck by how amateurish and silly most of the eps are... even (or especially) compared to the body of TOS episodes. at some point i need to find a venue to squawk about such stuff, heh.


EDIT: something i saw today that i thought you guys might like:
http://izismile.com/2011/10/14/historical_figures_cleverest_verbal_retorts_32_pics.html

Ah, The Right Stuff... fantastic book and movie! Although, as with most such pairings, I'd suggest reading the book first, but not completely necessary. The Right Stuff manages to squeeze about 90% of the book onto the screen... probably why it's three fricking hours long!
Nic, I am so ashamed that you've become some sort of TOS apologist. What about season 3, Nic? What are you, some kind of Herman? At least TNG never had a bad season. Except for the first one... and 7/8s of the second one. I must admit, I downloaded Seasons 3 to 7 a couple years back, watched 'em all and realized that there were a lot more episodes that didn't really hold up as well as I remembered. Hell, Nic... we may as well start our own ST forum right here. I visited a board a few years ago and found that there may not be room for our kind of opinions in between all the "What's your favorite Lwaxana Troi episode" posts.
Those quotes were pretty good! Churchill should have hit the stand-up circuit after the war; he coulda been England's Don Rickles.
BTW: switched on that Mission Control channel... next thing I know, 45 minutes had passed! Damn thing hypnotized me!
 
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I would enjoy ST as a topic as well.

The only thing wasn't amateurish about TOS was the underlying messages, and the guest's performances.

This of course is not actually the case. It is probably what Lucas would have done if he had but $200.00 to spend.

TNG did indeed get off to a slow start, and got much better.
 
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that, outside of TOS, there wasn't a Star Trek series that was any good in its first season. Discuss...
 
Since we are talking Star Trek... They are all up on Netflix streaming now.

Finally got to see all of the animated series, a few of them are good.

If you've got a big TV and a blu-ray player the remastered original series looks unbelievable. Colors and details all over the place that were never able to be seen before HDTV, only the people that worked on the original film ever saw it like this.

As for bad first seasons, TNG was the worst, some of those first 20 or so are painful to re-watch. Seasons 2 to 6 are mostly really good.

DS9 had an OK first season, when it turned into a show all about war all the time, year after year it started to bug me.

Did Voyager have any good years? There are good episodes scattered in there but can't really say any season was consistently good.

I'd say the same about Enterprise, no one year stands out, maybe the last season had the most good episodes.


Oh, and that mystery web site went up about a week after AJ's domain name registration expired, last year sometime, it still looks the same, seems like a shadowy site promoting stock trading scams if you click on the tags down in the lower right on some pages. I haven't checked to see if the last few domains AJ still had in his name have expired by now.
 
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I didn't see nearly as much character development in Enterprise as there was in TOS and TNG. That is a good thing. TOS did not take a full season, but the first few episodes had a very uncharacteristic Spock, and no chemistry. TNG first season looked like pre-production brain storming.

Enterprise turned into a soap, as far as I'm concerned and is the only incarnation I stopped watching. I think the Xindi was over done for a first trek into deep space.

Just before Enterprise I found myself wishing for either an Academy based series which would have worked in a soap format, Or A Sulu lead Excelsior series. But even with Enterprise, by then was preconceived notions, and I expected more from that show. I like Scott Bakula, but I could not warn up to Archer.

DS9 was very good. Soap in the way I have been using the term, but interesting.

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I have box sets of TOS, and the 'toon series complete. The remastering is indeed outstanding.
 
I'd have to agree with Sleepy on Voyager... maybe a handful or two of good episodes through its painfully-long run. And I couldn't get into Bakula or any of the characters on Enterprise, especially the inbred Okie engineer. It's a shame, too... I so wanted to like Bakula in the part... such good casting on paper. I blame Brannon Braga for both of those series and for, overall, running the franchise into the ground.
I actually thought the "war" thread finally gave DS9 an actual point and purpose... plus, such great actors! Jeffrey Combs as Weyoun, Mark Alaimo's oily Gul Dukat, Andrew Robinson as Garak... almost made up for the hunk of wood playing Sisco. And the war gave Ronald Moore a good test run for Battlestar Galactica.
Would love to see TOS on Blu-Ray! I remember watching that remastered and restored version when it aired on Sci-Fi about 10-15 years ago and it looked great then.
 
Would love to see TOS on Blu-Ray! I remember watching that remastered and restored version when it aired on Sci-Fi about 10-15 years ago and it looked great then.

They went back to the original film negatives for the non-effects shots, so it looks amazing. I was worried about the new effects but they did a good job keeping them in the spirit of the show. And they were able to add to the shows, the Doomsday Machine episode they were able to correct the scale of the ships and show the Enterprise maneuvering around better. On the Blu-Ray you can switch between the original effects and the new ones, because of the type process used to create the old effects they are so grainy they look terrible on a big HD screen, barely watchable, so they had no choice but to redo them.

Yes there are some great actors on DS9, unfortunately not many in the lead roles. I've been going through them on Netflix, picking out the ones I remember liking when they first aired. The episode descriptions are terrible on Netflix, I've been using the Wikipedia episode list to figure out the names of the ones I liked. The descriptions for Voyager are better, it's been pretty easy to pick out the ones I liked to re-watch them.
 
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You know, maybe vpforums.com should come back.

I'd have to agree with Sleepy on Voyager...

And I have never ever seen a single episode of Voyager.
In fact, I have never seen a single one of the Star Wars movies, this in spite of spotting Lucas in the parking lot of my apartment complex a couple of times.

If you've got a big TV and a blu-ray player the remastered original series looks unbelievable.

Standard analog t.v. always lost the details due to the bandwidth limits and LC rolloffs, especially after the advent of NTSC color t.v. with it's use of distorting LC rolloffs @ 3 MHz. Made all of the details smeary.
That problem was much improved with the introduction of digital 3D filters and detail processing in 1984.

The Father of one of my classmates "Heath" worked on ST: TOS. It was an everyday thing in this area near Hollywood, nowhere near the legend that it has become since.
 
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And I have never ever seen a single episode of Voyager.
In fact, I have never seen a single one of the Star Wars movies, this in spite of spotting Lucas in the parking lot of my apartment complex a couple of times.

Sorry sleepy... it was MrSchultz who said that! :whistle:
I was fortunate enough to download all the series TNG and beyond off the newsgroups a few years ago, so I don't really need the Netflix ones. Are the TOS series on Netflix the remastered ones? Might just have to check it out if they are!
 
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Are the TOS series on Netflix the remastered ones? Might just have to check it out if they are!

Yes, they are the remastered ones, and are in HD if you have the bandwidth.

Of course Netflix HD is not even close to looking as good as Blu-Ray HD, but they still look way better than they ever did on standard TV.

Funny how NBC used Star Trek as a way to promote color TV, but most of the color couldn't be seen until HD came along... I thought the DVDs looked good but now there are faint pastels and other accent colors on tables and walls that I've never seen before (and I've seen every episode probably dozens of times in my life).
 
The flagship program for color on NBC was, believe it or not, Bonanza, but ST was played up for being on The Peacock Network.

The problem with color in the NTSC analog days was in part the equation for matrixing the compressed color subcarrier, and the process.
Because of the bandwidth limits, the color information was limited to 500 KHz. and then the equation for producing the magenta subdata was R - (B+G) + B - (R + G)
The Cyan subdata was produced by the same equation, but with the Red, Green and Blue signals swapped to approximate Cyan.
Then those two results, the Magenta and Cyan were asserted on the color subcarrier by quadrature phase modulation.

But, in filtering off the high end to fit the bandwidth limit, they lost most of the picture detail. Imagine how a .jpg file filtered to 500 KHz. low pass looks.
And then the equation did not take into account the averages or differences within each of the color channels themselves. Instead, they were cross-subtracted producing very low color differences.
The running joke was that the NTSC system stood for "Never Twice the Same Color" as if run through a blender.

At that time they could have used analog differencing on each channel, then subtract the difference from the same channel to result in an average of red, green, or blue, then add red + blue to get the magenta data. RCA had an envelope volume expander circuit diagram in their 1957 radio tube handbook. This is an amp which produces a difference envelope from the input signal and then applies the envelope back to the input signal progressively to expand the output signal.
The envelope is a difference signal, similar to the stereo pilot signal used to recover the stereo L/R output channels in compatible FM stereo broadcasts (standard FM stereo).

But you know, that would have meant adding one more tube to the circuit! RCA (owners of NBC and manufacturer of their own vacuum tubes) could not afford this!...oh...no, they didn't think to...
With billions of dollars in their coffers and some of the best and brightest researchers in the world working for them,
they had a color t.v. system and didn't know how to fix it.

EDIT: When the NTSC color system was inserted into the standing broadcast standard in 1954 (my birthyear!) the space for the 500KHz. of color subcarrier was made by low passing the B&W video signal to a 3 MHz. limit, resulting in loss of details in the B&W, so nobody at home got any quality.
For reference to those who were not around at the time, try watching a youtube video with the player set to 240 p.
Then watch the same video with the youtube player set to HD.
240p is approximately what broadcast color and video resolution looked like after 1984 when digital processing took over as the standard for broadcast t.v. Before 1984, the analog color was pretty much primitive bi-chromal (two strip color, like orange and blue) with only a handful of visible colors.
Green eggs and ham (on indigo purple backdrop) pretty much.
The system was so bad, the advertisers actually produced deliberate off-color packaging for use in the commercials so that they would image on the home NTSC t.v.s somewhere like their intended colors on the shelf.
And actors frequently wore very strange makeup colors to affect the same.
 
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@arne,
it's been in the palliative stage for the last year or so. long story, but it started as prostate cancer around ten years ago, and all that's left at this point is to hang on and enjoy dad's time left. just wish my own health was better such that i could maximise those opportunities. but, you know, it's always something. another long story.

but my dad is the opposite of me in many ways- when he feels poorly, his gregarious nature doubles in strength, while when i feel poorly, my social phobia doubles in strength.


re: star trek / SF stuff,
nice posts- interesting reads and opinions. i'm trying to get some notes together of ST observations, which i'll try to post at some point. you know, technical details on william shatner's hairpiece, etc...

a couple days a week i drink an energy drink, take some kratom, do some long exercise, then follow it all with with an appetiser and a couple white russians (milk instead of cream). afterwards i feel rather 'normal' and sociable, so that's when i like to jump on the opportunity and call up friends from around the country and do a little internet posting. i even chat with valamircleaver from LA on a semi-regular basis, although the typical connection through the sprint cellphone service to CA has been dreadful ever since i got this HTC smartphone.

more later, hopefully.
 
Saw an interesting article on cancer and fusobacterium this morning.
They don't know if the bacterium is causative, but they do identify inflammation. That would be produced by histamines *I think*.
My inflammatory ulcers appear with phosphate build up from low kidney function. Dump the phosphates, barf out the histamines, or balance the diet towards antihistamines and the ulcers subside.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/health/18cancer.html
 
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