WTF is going on at VPF?

That's one of the biggest problems. people replying for others. "I don't want to get involved, but".
If people could be honest, a lot of the problems of the would be gone, and a whole slew of new ones would emerge.

Sorry, Shocky. I had a couple glasses of wine and thought that line you wrote was very funny. I, then, made my own inappropriate attempt at being funny. Again, apologies.
 
I congratulate ANYBODY who can write code and make these tables happen. This forum has afforded me to play tables before I was born, during my young years, those in high school - college, and MANY I never would have been physically able to play. The realism is incredible.

Writing code is one thing. Back in the 1990's, I took programming at a tech school between jobs. BUT......incorporate code into the ACCURATE design/recreation of the tables, and some are mindblowing. Truly a passion and a labor of love.

I'm in an area where physical tables are virtually impossible to find. The few I have found have been in bar rooms and bowling centers. Those are usually well worn and basically not worth the money to play. Beat up, dark, just horrible to see in that condition.

I have noticed the "mean" climate at VP. Why some even bother to post is beyond me. If I can't say something nice about someone, it isn't said. Besides, shooting blasts at someone you can't PHYSICALLY talk with? C'mon, grow a set. I might have a disagreement about something said, but I would NEVER chop anybody.

Noah, I applaud you for running the page and using your judgement at the many matters thrown at you. Thumbs up for EVERYBODY involved.
 
That's what it's all about RockWizard. The animosity towards others that share the same interest, time, and hobby, is bound to flare up at times, but to get rid of someone that falls into that category is not logical. If I was doing anything, which I wasn't, maybe there would be a logical reason. But to say anything at all I don't think is reason. Let alone saying something that would help the community. Not buying into something, just because it is said, the same.

If I was exactly like Paul would have you think, then there is still no logical reason to lock me out of that community. There are all kinds of people that range from total brown-nosers to total cynics but everyone is somewhere between. The only reason would be personal as it seems he likes his membership to favor one end of the line.

Paul says I banned myself, and as I clicked nothing on his software settings, I assume he means I was banned for being me. The only part of me he could feel that way about is the me that won't let remarks about me or my contribution go unanswered, calls out things said that are both destructive and incorrect, or voice my opinion, and on the last point only when it does not mesh with his own thinking it seems.
 
I have to say I haven't really seen that tone much. Sometimes someone does somthing stupid and they get called for it. Other than that everyone is usually pretty helpfull and nice. I'm not brown nosing for Noah, I just have a good thing going and don't want to screw it up. I can't comment on anything else as I am too new to really say anything worthwhile. Although to put things in context I've never been part of any site untill this one and VPF either. My join date was about when I became computer literate.
 
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Sometimes someone does somthing stupid and they get called for it.

But it only depends on who the someone is. Some can do nothing wrong, some, if they do nothing wrong, they are provoked into doing something. And if it was not a provocation to get me to say something, then these people are just worthless as human beings.

If said what Paul did, and what destruk did, I would be sitting here typing that I deserve being banned for life from a community I contributed to for over a decade, but I did not say those things about them, they said it about me. To misguide new members and lie about old members is Ok for some, but to react to it is not.

To be banned for life is pure evil in this or any case for something said, but I did not even fucking say it anyway . I did not ask to be banned, and I did not ban myself.

To go weeks without mentioning it then have my bringing it up as an excuse for continuing the ban is evil as well. If being cool about would have any impact, it would have already been over. Paul just don't like me because I don't agree with him 100% of the time. I know that is not a requirement, but it is for me, because of past issues with other people that was suppose to have no substance with him.

I'm 'permabanned' and it is obvious that the 'perma' part of that is short for permanently, and with the reason ranging from vague (you banned yourself) to none (I banned you myself) it is dirty rotten, and low down.
 
I didn't mean you, I meant a new member doesn't get a reply fast enough and becomes a pain or stuff along those lines. I don't worry about who gets what treatment.
 
But it only depends on who the someone is. Some can do nothing wrong, some, if they do nothing wrong, they are provoked into doing something. And if it was not a provocation to get me to say something, then these people are just worthless as human beings.

If said what Paul did, and what destruk did, I would be sitting here typing that I deserve being banned for life from a community I contributed to for over a decade, but I did not say those things about them, they said it about me. To misguide new members and lie about old members is Ok for some, but to react to it is not.

To be banned for life is pure evil in this or any case for something said, but I did not even fucking say it anyway . I did not ask to be banned, and I did not ban myself.

To go weeks without mentioning it then have my bringing it up as an excuse for continuing the ban is evil as well. If being cool about would have any impact, it would have already been over. Paul just don't like me because I don't agree with him 100% of the time. I know that is not a requirement, but it is for me, because of past issues with other people that was suppose to have no substance with him.

I'm 'permabanned' and it is obvious that the 'perma' part of that is short for permanently, and with the reason ranging from vague (you banned yourself) to none (I banned you myself) it is dirty rotten, and low down.

Maybe you should observe a month of silence Motor Mouth, since I think this post is the one millionth you have made whining and crying about your many and varied bans. As I have said in the past, if this was my forum to run as I see fit you would have been banned long ago. Only a fool and a moron keeps crabbing about something when he knows he can't change the situation.
 
WTF is going on at VPF? Well, anything related to Visual Pinball is going on there. There is nothing going on here about VP.

I enjoy VP, so I go there, I play by Noah's rules, it his site, it is his livelihood, so don't expect to go there and cause a bunch of drama or you will be gone. Common sense would tell you that.

Most of the oldtimers have lost touch with VP, many don't even have it installed on their pc's anymore. It's a new time, a new VP, it's not 2002 anymore.

You can bitch all you want to about it, but I don't believe for a minute that you want to work with VP or even play VP anymore.... If you did, we would see some productivity out of you.

BTW, Druidic is still one mixed up dude. :)

I can't believe I logged in to post this.

Hi to everyone who reads this!

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"I banned myself." exactly what i'm talking about. It's easy to be vague when you have nothing to hang your hat on. Or you could be specific and list things said by me and pretend that they came out of the blue. ...

Yep, I'm definitely being vague to cover up the real reason you were banned ...

Shockman from VPF said:
You do not have to be an ass about it rascal.

You are all [profanity removed] idiots. Ban me. I don't give a [profanity removed]. I did not say any of that [profanity removed].

I said VP [profanity removed] HAD THIS FUNCTION and I was told NOTHING IS TAKEN AWAY or SKEWED TOWARD CABINETS.

You [profanity removed] don't give a [profanity removed] if it is put back. You just want to [profanity removed] with me.

It's your choice. Visual feedback should have to be discovered, learned, and scripted in. Good God.

---Request Granted---

Yep, it's all my fault.

From June 13th 2010 to September 13th 2010, you were sent 6 warnings from myself and other staffers.

Yep, it's all my fault.
 
To work with it, no, Probably not. It's still VP after all and like you said, it is not 2002 anymore. I don't know what productive has to do with it though. But still there is a small list of tables, and yes my list was always small (around 30 max), about 8 that are there and nowhere else, that I would like to have to play. As far as the rules, I followed them just as well as those that I had the conflict of facts with, and up to a point, followed them closer.
Drama. Drama is a process not a result. A drama occurs, but you are not left with a drama. I did not cause any drama to occur, nor did I leave any.
I'm guilty of typing the word fuck there. But that has never caused even a limited ban for anyone else obviously, let alone a life time ban.

John, I have given that month, and more. I think it's just that some people don't feel powerful enough, unless that power is used against someone, but that's just a guess, maybe I should not have set the record straight about some of my contributions, but I did not know at the time the record was being re-recorded, I thought it was just a personal attack. People that rewrite history has none of our respect though. Maybe it's something else altogether, I don't know, and it is obvious most everyone else doesn't either.
 
I didn't say any of that shit. Rascal knows that and I think you do too. And I don't like words being put into my mouth any more than anyone else, and there is no more reason to do it to me than to do it with anyone else.

But if that what's you want, it's what you get, idnit?
 
The hell you didn't say that! That's a direct quote, and it should have been your last post, but you got one more in before I could ban you.

You are truly delusional, dude.

One last thing, before I call it quits entirely on this ...

There IS no fix for the ball through the flipper for VP8. You know it, I know it, and anyone who's every played it knows it. Your getting upset about that very statement when I made it was only to fulfill your lust for drama. We don't want drama at VPF. I told you that from day one.

When a member takes the fun out of it for me by requiring too much moderation attention, they have to go. Therefore, you had to go.
 
I don't give a [profanity removed]. I did not say any of that [profanity removed].

You quoted me as saying "I did not say that" for one thing, and I'm telling you I did not say that.

If you want to be fair you would quote Racsal's post too, which I was responding to.

I have preached on the ball through the flipper problem more than anyone. Yes you can not fix the fact that the ball has no collision on the top side of a flipper on return swing. I have never once argued anything else.

You know damn well that that was not the "very statement" you made. You said "There is nothing that can be done about the ball through the flipper problem in VP8. Never was and never will be" or very close to that. I don't even think it was said to create drama. I think you were really hoping people to believe that. There are in fact a few things that can be done to reduce and prevent the problem from occurring.

I don't know what this has to do with my lifetime ban though, as I thought we had agreed to disagree about whether something could be done to at least reduce it already.

Those words, destruk's words, Rascal's post, created a drama I feel. If you feel responding to lies is where drama begins though, then you have to put the guilt on me. You just have to.
If these things make no difference though, then they make no difference.
 
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You quoted me as saying "I did not say that" for one thing, and I'm telling you I did not say that.

Yes, you did. Of course, the profanity was removed, if you're being your overly literal, argumentative self. You didn't say that part ... "[profanity removed]," sure, you used profanity, instead, which we have rules against.

If you want to be fair you would quote Racsal's post too, which I was responding to.

I am being fair. It's you who has the twisted sense of fairness. You asked to be banned, you acted out in such a way to get banned, and you got banned. How is that not fair?

I have preached on the ball through the flipper problem more than anyone. Yes you can not fix the fact that the ball has no collision on the top side of a flipper on return swing. I have never once argued anything else.

You know damn well that that was not the "very statement" you made. You said "There is nothing that can be done about the ball through the flipper problem in VP8. Never was and never will be" or very close to that. I don't even think it was said to create drama. I think you were really hoping people to believe that. There are in fact a few things that can be done to reduce and prevent the problem from occurring.

"There are in fact a few things that can be done to reduce and prevent the problem from occurring."

That's not even a true statement. You can possibly prevent it from happening as often, but prevent the problem from occurring? Not a chance. NOTHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT, short of fixing it in the source, and I stand by my statement 110%.

I've had the flipper ALL THE WAY UP AND HELD and had the ball go right through it. You didn't 'fix' anything, Phil, you merely made it less likely. That's not fixing, and there's nothing that can be done about it. Deal with the truth, for once.

While we all appreciate your efforts back in the VP8 era, but there IS a fix now ... VP9.

Now, before you go into your rant about the nudge ... AGAIN ... you should know that if you hadn't pissed, moaned, and offended your way out of VPF, you'd see there's been effort made on the nudge before you arrived, during your brief stint, and since you've been gone. Oh, and guess who's been the most vocal about fixing it? ME.

I even offered you a forum to work on VP8 with others, but of course, you turned that around on me, too, didn't ya?

I don't know what this has to do with my lifetime ban though, as I thought we had agreed to disagree about whether something could be done to at least reduce it already.

Those words, destruk's words, Rascal's post, created a drama I feel. If you feel responding to lies is where drama begins though, then you have to put the guilt on me. You just have to.
If these things make no difference though, then they make no difference.

I read the entire topic, and no one started anything, nor did they deserve your offensive post.

Your lifetime ban began as an indefinite ban, which later evolved into a long-term ban, which finally culminated into a lifetime ban precipitated by your constant refusal to acknowledge it's deserved and the incessant slandering and harassment that followed. Blaming me and calling me a liar only helps me overcome the 'softy' in me. I should probably thank you for that.

Anyhoo, it's been fun (not), and I only post in response when you, once again, call my character into question. I see no reason to continue with this occasion.

See you in a month or two when you try it again.
 
Yes Bob, I am still mixed up. Why do you think I left VP? You're as goofy as ever which is good news. Glad to see you're still a nutcase ;)

Paul; why do you reply to him? Just ignore Shocky as he'll go on and on. I've never had a problem with Shockman but wonder just what all has transpired during the time I left to VP to return and then leave again.

I've come to realize that anger is not one of the things that will lead my life. I had enough. On top of my failing health it's just not worth it and makes my headaches even worse to go along with my serious eye problems.

So why do you let him piss you off? If it were me (I know it's not) I'd ignore the guy. I got that way with others at VPF and completely ignored them. I feel like a million bucks (and wish I had that too).

Keep up the feud folks. It makes me happy I left in the first place but can still post to the silliness around these forums. Don't get wrong; I have the UTMOST respect for VPF and it's rules. I know I'm still welcome there as I am here. I've gone on with life, ignored the sillliness and have had the time of my life.
 
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When one of these threads get going, we need to expand the "Latest 10 Posts" list so I don't miss anything.
 
Where are the threads regarding PROC roms?
The search engine won't pull up a result using PROC as a search term.
 
You do not have to be an ass about it rascal.

You are all [profanity removed] idiots. Ban me. I don't give a [profanity removed]. I did not say any of that [profanity removed].

I said VP [profanity removed] HAD THIS FUNCTION and I was told NOTHING IS TAKEN AWAY or SKEWED TOWARD CABINETS.

You [profanity removed] don't give a [profanity removed] if it is put back. You just want to [profanity removed] with me.

It's your choice. Visual feedback should have to be discovered, learned, and scripted in. Good God.

I said what Paul quoted. As I tried to explain, and think everyone else is getting, when I say in this post "I did NOT say that" I am not referring to that quote but inside the quote is the words "I did not say that" and it is true. I did not say that. Those words were put into my mouth. Paul I think understands this, but what can he do? He cant post what was said that that was a response to because it is against his nature. That post got me banned. If I was to write the post Rascal did and he responded with that post, I would have been banned as well and he not.

I told you myself, and you respond as if It was a lie, or that I said something else. Yes there is no collision detection that would allow a returning flipper to interact with the ball. You keep quoting fix though I always preferred to call it a work around. If you think it is not possible to reduce the number of times a ball will interact with a returning flipper, something I could do for upswing or the bottom of the flipper on a downswing as well by the way, by now, then you will never understand. No matter how fast something is headed towards something else. It is never going to catch it if the something else is going faster. That don't mean is is not likely to catch it. It does not mean it will only catch it 1 out of 1,000,000,000 times. It means it will never catch it. If the flipper is moving from the relative safe up position to the relative safe down position faster than the ball is moving, that flipper is going to get to the rested down position which will interact with the ball always, thus the ball will not go through the flipper because it never gets a chance.

But put words into my mouth. You have just proven it was done for no other reason than to either have a angry member at your forum or to have someone to ban. These thing don't matter. You like to tell your membership and this one what I was thinking when I post, and in your mind, once posted it is true.

So you have to keep me banned. Why? Because it doesn't matter that that post was a response to something said about me that I would have been banned for for saying. And the fact that this fact does not matter to you.

Even if you did it would just be a matter of time before you would test me. or another member would test you. You like to mention everything I say, but you always start it there as if I was the only one saying anything. Not once did you quote anything I posted that got me into trouble, which was not a response to something was was said to or about me or my work that would not have got me banned if I had said it to others.

It clear that the facts NEVER trump your opinion, though so I sit here banned for life for what ever it is you think I said.

It's clear that this does not matter, but you do have to be true to your nature.

- Yes I said fuck in a post.
- Yes a conversation with anyone at Paul's site is a conversation with him
-therefore Yes, I did ask Paul to ban me
- Yes I said that out of the blue. when I posted I did not say that, I was not accused of saying anything.
- Avoiding letting the ball anywhere near the flipper would not prevent you from ever seeing it go through the flipper.
- Yes if Paul says I said something I said it.
- Yes if Paul says I meant something then Ok that's now exactly what I meant.
- No a life time ban is nothing drastic enough to avoid.
- Yes I was unhappy with some things that was said, so yes I deserve to be banned. I should have acted like everyone else would not.
- You are a fair man paul

Take care
 
You do not have to be an ass about it rascal.

You are all [profanity removed] idiots. Ban me. I don't give a [profanity removed]. I did not say any of that [profanity removed].

I said VP [profanity removed] HAD THIS FUNCTION and I was told NOTHING IS TAKEN AWAY or SKEWED TOWARD CABINETS.

You [profanity removed] don't give a [profanity removed] if it is put back. You just want to [profanity removed] with me.

It's your choice. Visual feedback should have to be discovered, learned, and scripted in. Good God.

I said what Paul quoted. As I tried to explain, and think everyone else is getting, when I say in this post "I did NOT say that" I am not referring to that quote but inside the quote is the words "I did not say that" and it is true. I did not say that. Those words were put into my mouth. Paul I think understands this, but what can he do? He cant post what was said that that was a response to because it is against his nature. That post got me banned. If I was to write the post Rascal did and he responded with that post, I would have been banned as well and he not.

I told you myself, and you respond as if It was a lie, or that I said something else. Yes there is no collision detection that would allow a returning flipper to interact with the ball. You keep quoting fix though I always preferred to call it a work around. If you think it is not possible to reduce the number of times a ball will interact with a returning flipper, something I could do for upswing or the bottom of the flipper on a downswing as well by the way, by now, then you will never understand. No matter how fast something is headed towards something else, It is never going to catch it if the something else is going faster. That don't mean it is not likely to catch it. It does not mean it will only catch it 1 out of 1,000,000,000 times. It means it will never catch it. If the flipper is moving from the relative safe up position to the relative safe down position faster than the ball is moving, that flipper is going to get to the rested down position which will interact with the ball always, thus the ball will not go through the flipper because it never gets a chance.

But put words into my mouth. You have just proven it was done for no other reason than to either have a angry member at your forum or to have someone to ban. These thing don't matter. You like to tell your membership and this one what I was thinking when I post, and in your mind, once posted it is true.

So you have to keep me banned. Why? Because it doesn't matter that that post was a response to something said about me that I would have been banned for for saying. And the fact that this fact does not matter to you.

Even if you did it would just be a matter of time before you would test me. or another member would test you. You like to mention everything I say, but you always start it there as if I was the only one saying anything. Not once did you quote anything I posted that got me into trouble, which was not a response to something was was said to or about me or my work that would not have got me banned if I had said it to others.

It clear that the facts NEVER trump your opinion, though so I sit here banned for life for what ever it is you think I said.

It's clear that this does not matter, but you do have to be true to your nature.

- Yes I said fuck in a post.
- Yes a conversation with anyone at Paul's site is a conversation with him
-therefore Yes, I did ask Paul to ban me
- Yes I said that out of the blue. when I posted I did not say that, I was not accused of saying anything.
- Avoiding letting the ball anywhere near the flipper would not prevent you from ever seeing it go through the flipper.
- Yes if Paul says I said something I said it.
- Yes if Paul says I meant something then Ok that's now exactly what I meant.
- No a life time ban is nothing drastic enough to avoid.
- Yes I was unhappy with some things that was said, so yes I deserve to be banned. I should have acted like everyone else would not.


You are a fair man Paul,
Take care
 
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I could have debated Paul on any single point. I was willing too. But If the points are vague statements like'you did it yourself', or 'you deserve it', or even 'you said this', then there is just no other side to argue with.

In my mind it does not matter what Rascal says. I feel he is free to say what he wants. it is up to him to decide if it will be the truth or not, not me. But when I say something true and am banned, and get no defense from Rascal, then I don't care what any intentions were. This could be fixed based on what is true or it can stand based on what is not.

Rascal, When someone is left with nothing but revenge, I think you might someday find yourself wishing you had left a little more.
 
I could have debated Paul on any single point. I was willing too. But If the points are vague statements like'you did it yourself', or 'you deserve it', or even 'you said this', then there is just no other side to argue with.

In my mind it does not matter what Rascal says. I feel he is free to say what he wants. it is up to him to decide if it will be the truth or not, not me. But when I say something true and am banned, and get no defense from Rascal, then I don't care what any intentions were. This could be fixed based on what is true or it can stand based on what is not.

Rascal, When someone is left with nothing but revenge, I think you might someday find yourself wishing you had left a little more.
 
I could have debated Paul on any single point. I was willing too. But If the points are vague statements like'you did it yourself', or 'you deserve it', or even 'you said this', then there is just no other side to argue with.

In my mind it does not matter what Rascal says. I feel he is free to say what he wants. it is up to him to decide if it will be the truth or not, not me. But when I say something true and am banned, and get no defense from Rascal, then I don't care what any intentions were. This could be fixed based on what is true or it can stand based on what is not.
 
You know what I mean when I say I did not say that rascal, don't you? I blame you for this. I know you would not have me just think, 'well if rascal say's it, I should just let it go', as Paul would be happy to have me think the history can be distorted for the benefit of others.

I blame you for this. You banned me from the chat too, and I blame you for that. You know I am never going to let this go as it stands either. When a person is left with nothing but revenge...
 
I see my name flying around here, what do you want from me Shocky? Talk to me. Do you want me to give Paul permission to post what I said? It's fine by me. He should also post how I asked you to edit your posts so that you wouldn't get banned. I didn't want you to get banned over that and you know that is true.

I was never going to ban you for what you said to me, even if I could have, I was trying to get you to clean up that post before Paul saw it. And you know that is the truth.

As far as the chat goes Shocky, I didn't even realize that was really you. LOL
I thought it was someone else logging in as you. Call me stupid, but I figured you were already banned from chat. So you can't blame me for that one.
 
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I could not be in chat if I was banned from chat. Nor could anyone else use my name if it was banned. I don't think you are too stupid to know that or I WOULD indeed call you stupid. It was something else.

Of course you wanted me to edit my posts. You knew it was in response to you saying I said things that I did not. Who knows, at the trme you may have thought it was possible for you to get into trouble for doing something like that, but now we all know better.

IRL Bullshit. the VP community was part of my real life. You fuck with that and I am going to fuck with your real life.

What do I want from you? Nothing you have ever considered.
 
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