Goodbye

From VPF
Thank you , No
Deleteing posts is never the answer
There are times when you may need to go back and review an action, something that cannot be done if it has been deleted

That is why this staff would prefer to lock a thread, split a thread, or even simply move a thread out the public view, rather than delete

It can't be done if the post is edited either, something anyone can do with their own and the staff can do with anybody's. What am I missing here? This makes no sense to me at all. I read a lot of talk about the need to go back and look at the database at any state it has been in, but no reason, or acknowledgment that it is not even possible. And why would this ability that does not even exist, and or is ruined by staff action as much as member action be more important than the members?
 
TheMcD, you would make a terrible moderator.

With all the requirements met, when do you start?

Not a peep out of you concerning the loosing of another member, but when you think it is about you, Bam, here you are.

And wtf is OTI?

On The Internet.

I certainly could care less when I start or anything, I have given my message of interest and now I'm waiting if I get in or not.

I was just wondering who else could have been interested.

I am simply curious.

And yes, I do not care that TheHermit left. Why? Because it's his decision. He wants to leave, he leaves. End of story. So he left. Not because anything happened in his life particularly, but just because he was pissed off with the decisions and comments the staff and other people made. So what?

I may be an egoistical little b*stard - but I admit it and I stand to it. From now on, one can label me as an egoistical b*stard and I won't care. Since it's on the Internet, I could seriously care less. Someone could say it into my face and I won't care. If you have something positive to say about me, I'm happy about it. You want to complain, get in line.

The McD
 
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I would not call you egotistical, because that is neither here nor there, but I would call you antagonistic.

You would fit in.
 
That sounds quite good to me - I've always preferred the dark side of the force, so to speak.

The McD
 
I would just like to say and I mean this from the bottom of my heart.... I am sorry Hermie if I have gotten under your skin.... If you want me to delete or edit "anything" I have posted to or about you, then you can point to those posts and I will gladly edit them.

I don't call you "Hermie" out of disrespect, I love saying "Hermie" One of the old guys that use to belong to my club was affectionately called "Hermie" and every time I type "Hermie" I think of him. Sometimes, I forget that not everyone is use to being ribbed and they may take me too seriously.... I'm 55 yrs old and I spent my life surrounded by a bunch of guys who took agitating each other to another dimension.

I usually don't pick on someone unless they have come across as a strong enough person to handle it or they themselves are an agitator. I may have misjudged you, I thought you were an agitator and could give as well as receive and I really just humored myself a few times at your expense. Once again, I apologize and I don't like to see anyone leave the VP community, especially a contributor to the community.

Bob, I really respect You for Posting this message to TheHermit. I hope that he will accept your apology
and reconsider his decision to leave the Pinball scene.

Rick:salut:
 
So do I Rick, but I don't think it would be enough, and I don't think it should be enough, and I don't think Bob's part in it was large relatively speaking.

He said that the staff should not add fuel to the fire, and do such things as they did to me. He was doomed. The staff can not have a single person defending ME, because they don't have the tools to handle that, and logic has got to be thrown out the window, for any one single reason for anything that the staff has done as punishment to me to stick. It is not logical, and though 'Hermit knew that no more than any of you, he did not think it would be fatal to say so though like the rest of you have already guessed.

He would have probably made the best forum moderator there ever was for sub forums like VP, VP originals, and others, but was rejected out of hand, because Peter wants a fucking clone like he was.

TheManFromPOST don't give a fuck if 'Hermit is gone any more than The McD does. He don't care if I am gone either, or Kinsey. He just cares that he is fucking there.

I've told you what would happen if you people were honest about the staff, and you obviously believe me. 'Hermit should have believed me too.

Enjoy yourselfs StevOz, TheManFromPOST, and ValamirCleaver. Cock suckers.
 
Thanks Rick.... I meant every word I posted. I'm the one Hermit was pissed at and it didn't have anything to do with Shocky's predicament. It had to do with me bringing up his name in threads where he never posted and I only did this because he brought up his "guidelines crap" right out of the "off-topic" blue in 3 or 4 threads at VPF. I was toying with him as I perceived him to be toying with the VPF staff and me at VPF.

Some people may think of me as a hypocrite.... But my forum life is almost identical to my real life. I can go to church and converse with the minister and then I can go to a private club and be as obnoxious as the rest of the arseholes there. I don't cuss in church and I don't ridicule or agitate the church congregation, I don't feel comfortable there, but I follow the rules of society when I'm there.

The rules at PN are different then the rules at VPF. The rules at VPFF were different then the rules at VPF. Some people just take this shit too seriously.

Phil, no one should know the differences between the sites, better then you, but you won't accept them, hence you're banned.
 
I don't accept that the rules are followed at VPF. You should know that better than anyone. Well Pete actually should know it best, but he don't. I am not the only one banned because I was the only one involved in breaking the rules, I am the only one banned because it was staffers breaking the rules too.

You know that. I know that. The rest of the staff knows that, and the members know that too. The staff are there because they want to be. I am not there because the staff don't want me to be. The staff says and does stuff because they don't like me. I say stuff because the staff says and does stuff.
 
So VPF is a church, and TheManFromPost a holy man. And PN is a rowdy bar and Jon just another thug.

Bob, I know the difference. Though you over state it, I understand you. All I ever want is understanding as well. If I went to church, and suggested that the steps were adjusted so so many people would not stumble on their way in, I should not have beer bottles thrown at me and I should not expect it.

I want my membership at VPF returned to me. If I did one single thing to deserve a ban, I would not ask for it back. But I don't deserve to be banned for reactions to being attacked for making suggestions that would make the place better, for putting up a picture of a hand flipping a bird, when it came down only to save my membership, or for reactions to insults. Insulting someone that insulted you is a natural reaction, except maybe in a church, and VPF is no church.

I want my membership given back to me. There is no reason not to do it. Thinking that I am going to insult the staff again is not even reason, and you can be sure, if there is any doubt, that that will happen, and in a sharp and pointed way, but you can also be just as sure that it wont, if I am not subjected to that myself. What is wrong with that? What is wrong with that is that some of you think that is wrong, and it is not. Some of you think the staff can do nothing wrong, and if they do that it is barely wrong, and those are the same people that feel that anything I do is very wrong, regardless of what they do.

It's easy for you to say that I am banned for something I did, but it's very hard to come up with a single example, isn't it? "General stuff, Shockman". Yes, I have read that. "It's nothing you did specifically just now, it's the pile of stuff from the past" Yes, I have read that before. "The staff attacked you because you attacked them" Without any consideration to what happened first.

If it was true that I started any of this, then why was I not banned when I did those things. I would have been, can't you see.

To ban me for a reaction to an action that was made to cause a reaction is not right, and there is no reason for me to accept that nd move on. Having a staff that is doing those things is not a reason for a contributing member to want to leave, it is a for the member to want changes.

And the only change I want is not who is staff, I don't care who is staff, it is for the staff to not attack me for making a suggestion, to not insult me, to defend their actions like using my whole real name in an insult and defend that action, even after it is clear that the rest of the staff agrees that it is wrong, and not going to stand, though no harm. Reporting posts. Give me a break there. It is following the guidelines and trying to nip problems in the bud. Even those post that were by me and reactions that you called over-reactions were reported, and the official response to that was, "so what", so I don't see why I should be banned if I take matters into my own hands.

Telling TheManFromPOST to stick his ice cream up his ass was not an over-reaction, it was an under-reaction, and should have went by as easy as the name calling and the staff insulting me on my profile page.

I want my membership returned to me where it belongs, because there is no reason why I should not have it. Unless you think I should have to take that crap without a reaction at all, and I know that not a single staffer thinks that's the way it should be other than Tom, because it is used, to brush off their part in this, and an excuse why they can do their part.

I want my membership returned to me, because it's mine, not yours, and you have no reason to take it away.

I used Blue text once. That was posted as something I did that was not a reaction, but offencive. OK, I used Blue text once. How did that harm the forum in any way. I got that responce when I was asked what I did this time or last to deserve it, and that happen a long time ago and I served a D/A for that.

This ban, I have no idea what it is for, and have asked many times and will ask again many times. I did not call TheManFromPOST a bigot. But as time goes on without any other explanation, I think more that is could be. I served the past infractions, including using Blue text, so they should be marked as served. I want access to the AC, but I should have access to the AC. Was I banned for asking for access to the AC, or expressing anger at being banned for something I did not do, or for suggesting that locking all the Obama threads seemed bigoted? If it was not the Blue text again, then it must have been one, two, or all three of those things.

I was banned without any warning at all this time. Without any explanation, and without any time frame. But lifting that ban would be a bad thing? I don't think so.
 
Posted by Bob
Thanks Rick.... I meant every word I posted. I'm the one Hermit was pissed at and it didn't have anything to do with Shocky's predicament. It had to do with me bringing up his name in threads where he never posted and I only did this because he brought up his "guidelines crap" right out of the "off-topic" blue in 3 or 4 threads at VPF. I was toying with him as I perceived him to be toying with the VPF staff and me at VPF.
It's your "off-topic blue" I was talking about Bob.
Read it. You say he was only pissed about your remarks, then you say you made those remarks because he was pissed about the guidelines. You contradicted yourself there.

The part about the roms and wares was silly in my opinion. I did not understand his point any better than the staff did, nor did I understand what he was after either, but I do understand something you don't. When you insult someone by saying they would not fit into the forum staff, or fail to answer questions like "why don't the staff consider their part in the conflict" which certainly was about me, then you create a new kind of member, and you kill some of the joy.

I'm not saying you should have put him on the staff. I'm saying you asked for someone to step up to the plate and he did, having all the requirements to take a swing, and was rejected for a stupid reason, and it was not even a honest reason. I'm sure that that had nothing to do with the nature of the insulting posts towards him, but I think it did have something to do with the attitude he had afterward.

The question/statement about the staff contributing every bit much to my conflict was one of the best questions I have read there, and I think that did have something to do with the nature of the relationship between him and the staff that manifested from both sides after that. Do you really think the rest of the membership thinks otherwise? I did not see any respect from the staff towards him after he said that. Yet I did see a lot of contribution on his part and a lot of respect towards him from the members, and that is what drives the forum, not subordination to the staff.
 
I don't think you understood what I said or was trying to say, but that really doesn't matter, if Hermie pops up and wants to discuss it, I will explain it to him explicitly.

No matter what you think, the current VPF staff does not police the forums, we are not on any power trip, we just try to be ourselves and enjoy the place. We don't have any solidarity pacts and we don't have meetings or lengthy discussions or secret handshakes. It's almost impossible for anyone to get banned from VPF, I mean you would have to be a total nutcase to not keep your membership at VPF. It's so fucking easy, even a caveman could do it.....


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I don't know about secret handshakes, but the power trip is obvious.

They claim it is my posting style, but posting is not all they take from me. I can not look at a pic in an attachment, I can not download files in attachments, and I can not download files from the database.

As far as posting. Anyone can say I'm a nutcase, or even diagnose me as having a mental illness, lie about me, and say anything they want about me, but if I post a rebuttal then I started the whole thing with that. It's not true.

I did not post anything that I felt was out of order. I did not post anything that the staff told me was out of order, and they had their chance, having posted in the very thread. I was banned without any warning at all. If this is not a power trip, you could not give me an example of a power trip that would result in the same thing, could you? If so I would like to read it. What is an example of a power trip in your opinion?

I got no warning. I got no explanation, and I got no time attached to this ban. This is what I call a power trip. Tell me something that makes sense to you, and I guarantee you it will make sense to me. Continue to avoid the answers to this and more than 'Hermit will see it, I can guarantee that as well, and another might even express it. Are you ready and willing to brush them off as nut cases as well?
 
It's almost impossible for anyone to get banned from VPF, I mean you would have to be a total nutcase to not keep your membership at VPF. It's so fucking easy, even a caveman could do it.....


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I'd have to agree with ya Bob . . .if I'm still there ANY fucker is safe . . .

. . .jeezus Shocky . . .WHAT did you DO, man ??????? :salut:
 
I'd have to agree with ya Bob . . .if I'm still there ANY fucker is safe . . .

. . .jeezus Shocky . . .WHAT did you DO, man ??????? :salut:

Do? I didn't do anything. You need ftp access to do anything.
 
Do? I didn't do anything. You need ftp access to do anything.


No . . .I mean you didn't called an ex-mod a rancorous, little dwarf or make disparaging remarks about Postie's cork hat . . .or any o' that shit . . .did ya ????

. . .well you must at the very least have had "666" or "VPF sucks cock" tattooed on yer knob . . .

. . .no ?? :joy:

I think they should let you back in so we could form a tag-team and REALLY kick some fucking arse . . .

. . .whaddya reckon :guitar:
 
Well yeah, I did say stuff like that, now that you mention it.
 
Good man . . . .:cheers:
 
Vain, verbose, venial, viperous, venomous, vexed, vitreous, vile, victim and vanquished via his vindictive virtuosity.
 
Va Vroom to that!
 
Vitally Virtuous and Verbose with the Vernacular,Volatile, Vexed, Vaccinated and Fucking Aussie Hating . . .shit no V.:cuss:

so how's about. . .the "Vs" to Kangaroo Tossers . . .both hands . . .:wave:

(Vacuous Cunts . . .and a set of Vankers . . .)
 
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