I Want You to Kill This Man

[sleepy]

Back in '78 the upstairs clued me. The 'lady of the house', and I use that term lightly broke into a peculiar story that was totally irrelevant to the immediate reality. She began talking about a man and said that she thought, "there was something wrong with his Pituitary'.

In the meantime and in the time since, I've developed an intolerance to phosphate additives, something that I Never suffered before the sleep deprivations began, and apparently the trouble I have with phosphates and phosphoric acid (Coke, Pepsi) has to do with the Pituitary and how it utilizes phosphorus, and all of that can be induced by sleep deprivation, or else occur due to other factors, perhaps the Thyroid(?).

 

[JonPurpleHaze]

I would never kill anybody, much less a dude that looks like George Washington. My Uncle is almost 80 and he's convinced it's due to oatmeal for breakfast everyday and whiskey before bed.

 

[sleepy]

I don't really mean to kill anybody.
I just need my breakfast left alone with.

EDIT: But you know, he looks to me more like Benjamin Franklin,
or maybe Perry Como.

 

[Coil_Smoke]

What Would "Larry" Do?

I went to a Quaker school. They believed in great nutrition. "Larry" would be mortified by some of the foods that bare his likeness.<center>

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[sleepy]

Me too! Especially after eating it!

 

[Coil_Smoke]

Phosphates? Bad?

Back in '78 the upstairs clued me. The 'lady of the house', and I use that term lightly broke into a peculiar story that was totally irrelevant to the immediate reality. She began talking about a man and said that she thought, "there was something wrong with his Pituitary'.

In the meantime and in the time since, I've developed an intolerance to phosphate additives, something that I Never suffered before the sleep deprivations began, and apparently the trouble I have with phosphates and phosphoric acid (Coke, Pepsi) has to do with the Pituitary and how it utilizes phosphorus, and all of that can be induced by sleep deprivation, or else occur due to other factors, perhaps the Thyroid(?).

And I thought phosphorus was supposed to to be a good thing. I came across this web page about phosphate food additives.http://www.phosadd.com/book/book.htm

 

[sleepy]

Well, I typed a witty reply and my keyboard got bumped and the witty reply went POOF!

The phosphate additives in food are either inorganic or are used by the body in very small amounts. Phosphates are limited to less than 2% and pyrophosphates are limited to 1% because in higher amounts they can melt flesh and linings.
Phosphorus is a powerful oxidizer that body depends on calcium to buffer and is used with carbohydrates to form bones. I think it work like, carbohydrates link with phosphorus to release the energy and then link with a calcium salt, a citrate or chloride of calcium, as calcium phosphate + remnant carbohydrate to form bone at the surface, but that is a guess due to Vitamin D naturally forming in the exodermal skin by actions of sunlight. Vitamin D transports Phosphorus in the blood.
Vitamin A transports Nitrogen compounds.

 

[Patch]

That big cola Co. did have phosphoric acid, in the mix
but no more here ...
I still use it as rust converter

 

[sleepy]

Yep, and jellied Phosphoric Acid is also known as Navel Jelly, that pink rust remover found at hardware and auto parts stores.

I always thought that rust iron was oxidized, but I guess it is a complex of hydrogen and other materials.

 

[Patch]

I think you were right in the first instance, Sleepy
rust is ferrous oxide, the generic name for phosphoric acid
as rust converter is deoxidine.

Interesting to note, iron cannons & the like, that have been on the ocean floor for
centuries, usually are in remarkably good condition.
It's after they've been surfaced & exposed to air, they start deteriorating instantly
& quick measures must be taken to preserve them

 

[sleepy]

I think there is a difference though. I think rust is a Hydrated oxide, meaning that it is an oxide that is corrupted by a hydrogen complex, and the phosphoric acid is an oxidizer which paradoxes rust as a double oxidizer reaction back to metal, as ferrous Iron is oxygen-friendly. The red blood cells use ferrous Iron which has a valence of 2. There is also Ferric Iron with a valence of 3, and Ferric Iron is listed as being toxic.

In large doses, Ferrous Iron can also be toxic, producing headaches and illness, particularly in us men. Women have a higher tolerance for Ferrous Iron.

 

[sleepy]

It is also a paradox due to the specific circumstances of the corrosion of iron to rust, as most elemental compounds are reduced to oxides by exposure to oxygen, and reduced to their elemental state, oxides to metal, etc. by exposure to pure hydrogen, this according to "The Electromotive Series" which is an Ordered listing of chemical reactions of and by Elements by their precedence. I think.

The order of the elements listed in The Electromotive Series predicts which of the listed Elements will displace others in compounds.

 

[Isaac Sauvage]

on another note, did someone up above say "white water"?
http://img.izismile.com//img/img6/20130607/1000/daily_picdump_1252_84.jpg

 

[Coil_Smoke]

Shocking!

on another note, did someone up above say "white water"?
http://img.izismile.com//img/img6/20130607/1000/daily_picdump_1252_84.jpg

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Would your trust your pinball machines ground under these conditions? I love this photo and electrical safety immediately leaps to mind. I remember getting many a shock from nickel and dime pinball machines at the beach. I wondered how the electricity used to leak out of those old machines. Did any of those machines from the early to mid 60s use fluorescent lighting? Power supply transformer's usually do a good job of isolating a secondary from earth ground. Kids don't wear shoes at the beach. Standing there in bear and sometimes wet and salty feet I became the conductor to the concrete floor more than once. This is often in the back of my mind when I play the machines in my basement, barefoot.

 

[sleepy]

There are two ways that I know of to cause a shock from a cabinet.
One way is to touch two pinball machines simultaneously that have exposed metal connected to chassis with a difference in electrical potential between the two machines.

The other way is by running pinball machines on a mechanical ground electrical system, for instance, on a step-up transformer system being used to save on the electric bill. Mechanical ground potential is usually less than the value of Earth ground.

 

[Isaac Sauvage]

yes yes, when i used to play doubles pinball, i would usually move all the way up and beside the machine so that i was looking down on the flipper under my control. then as i put my attention in to game my body and free hand would drift, often resting on next machine, there to receive unexpected shock. not always, but sometimes.

 

[Coil_Smoke]

The solution....

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Would your trust your pinball machines ground under these conditions? I love this photo(Thanks Ike Savage) and electrical safety immediately leaps to mind. I remember getting many a shock from nickel and dime pinball machines at the beach. I wondered how the electricity used to leak out of those old machines. Did any of those machines from the early to mid 60s use fluorescent lighting? Power supply transformer's usually do a good job of isolating a secondary from earth ground. Kids don't wear shoes at the beach. Standing there in bear and sometimes wet and salty feet I became the conductor to the concrete floor more than once. This is often in the back of my mind when I play the machines in my basement, barefoot.

Thanks Ike Savage for the photo!
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The operators where aware of the shock hazards. They would place plywood on the floor in front of the machines that packed the biggest jolts. I guess three prong plugs finally reduced the chance of a big shock.
We have a problem with the grounds here at home. Somehow there is a potential difference between the two sides of the breaker box. This has caused real problems with hum in my audio systems. Power line based intercoms only work on half the outlets in our house. The cable TV connections always have a good tingle waiting for you.</thanks>

 

[sleepy]

Are the circuit breakers themselves making a humming sound or buzz, and are any of them getting warm or hot under load? A circuit breaker works by getting hot under excessive load until a metal strip or lever inside expands under heat which increases its length or size, at which point it pushes the power switch off, else breaks the connection for also being the contact.
Kind of like a one-way thermal-mechanical version of a solenoid.

If a breaker is humming, it might be intermittent and oscillating under load which may oscillate the contact on and off rapidly, and in a transformer circuit being fed by this line, that *might* cause an up in potential, like a DC to AC step-up supply that uses a chop circuit on the primary end to increase secondary output.

Or, the breaker is creating an intermittent resistance.

Else the breaker is good and the power load rating of the breakers is being maxed out by everything that is turned on at the moment.

The hum might also be from something plugged in that is behaving intermittently, or from an upline (like upwind) neighbor's device that is doing the same.

I would check out this forum article. It also mentions the Federal Pacific company, a defunct maker of bad circuit breakers, and how other companies' 70's designs were mechanically deficient:

http://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=80378

 

[Coil_Smoke]

The breaker box itself is cool and quiet. It does happen to be a federal Pacific box. (AND yeah I do worry about that box)I've been told that federal Pacific breakers are reluctant to trip when they should. The hum Problems I mentioned are in my audio equipment. We have two prong wiring from the early 50s. I have to make sure all of my inter-connected equipment gets its120 V from the same leg of the 240 V coming into the house.My three prong adapters are grounded to the outlet boxes. There is a 8 to 12 V AC difference in potential if you measure between some of the outlet boxes in our house. Go figure..

 

[sleepy]

Could it be that some of the grounding conductivity for the boxes is less than 100%? Maybe corroded or made of pot metal?

 

[sleepy]

Three other possibilities about the potential difference.
Could be a loose connection.

Is your house wired using Aluminum Wiring? Aluminum wiring corrodes over a period of decades and may develop a ground fault as well as getting hot after corrosion sets in.

Or when using aluminum spaghetti to ground to, and it's become corroded.

My apartment uses a mechanical ground transformer system to cut the cost of electricity, and this may not be the problem, but my Panasonic Home Theater Receiver makes a buzzing hum when connected to the Sony T.V. RCA Audio output jacks.
Seems to be a potential difference error in the t.v. output, or between the receiver and the t.v. It is not a broken ground wire in the RCA Phono cables.
The buzz appears whether or not I have the t.v. audio input selected on the receiver. Just having the cable connected produces the low but audible buzzing hum.

Have you disconnected any inputs or outputs one-by-one to try to find a possible source of the humming?

Is the t.v. or other equipment near the stereo? Rarely, a nearby component can radiate interference.

An Impedance matching error in an input or output can also cause hum, and/or a DC Offset error on the hot wire connection.

 

[Coil_Smoke]

I went through GYRATIONS trying to track down these hum problems. It takes two AC circuits to deliver enough power to my main sound system. The hum has been reduced by grounding all the audio connections. I think lightning might've done something to the wiring in our house. About 20 years ago our house was walloped by a banger of a lightning bolt. I saw it hit the sprinkler in my backyard. At the same time it hit my antenna and a transformer on the poll out front. It took two days to get our power back on. It's screwed up the wiring of our telephones so bad that I can't understand the patchwork of wires the phone company used to get all our phones working again.

 

[sleepy]

I'd be wondering if the electric company messed up the repair?

 

[Isaac Sauvage]

hmm, i was cleaning up my desktop just now and came across a draft i must have been toying with for this thread. i barely remember it. anyway, guess i'll paste it in and vamoose!

The operators where aware of the shock hazards. They would place plywood in the floor of the machines that packed the biggest jolts. I guess three prong plugs finally reduced the chance of a big shock.

We have a problem with the grounds here at home. Somehow there is a potential difference between the two sides of the breaker box. This has caused real problems with hum in my audio systems. Power line based intercoms only work on half the outlets in our house. The cable TV connections always have a good tingle waiting for you.</thanks>

interesting... and i need to learn more about AC and electronics. there is a neat little app ("everycircuit") on android i downloaded a couple weeks ago on my tablet. it's a construction set for circuit boards, allowing you to place and arrange all the components represented by their traditional symbols on breadboard / diagram, then to power it on and see what actually happens. then you can measure values via 'scope and multimeter on whatever portions you select. here i am mostly doing internet and time-wasting games on my tablet, while something that's like forrest mims-squared is sitting there waiting for me! *bonking self on head*


oh, and for that photo, i was imagining a conversation between two guys:


...


"well, tomorrow's saturday, ralph... you psyched for our fishing day?"

"fishing day?? ed, we said pinball. we agreed on pinball."

"pinball??? hahaha, are you nuts... why would we get up at 5AM to play pinball??"

"look, we already agreed a while back on pinball, even though you've obviously forgotten. the tournament is coming up and we agreed to play pinball, not fish."

"pffff. are you nuts? YOU'RE the one who likes pinball. i only agreed to go because you agreed to bar-hop afterwards!"

"ed... listen to me... i HATE fishing. it's the most boring godamn thing i've ever done. i went ONCE with you, and that was the time i realised that it was the most boring godamn thing i've ever done. the fact is, you agreed weeks ago to play pinball, NOT FISH! ed, i'm playing pinball tomorrow and that's that. are you coming or not?"

"ralph, i don't care. maybe i said that, maybe i didn't, but the fact is, tomorrow's saturday, and that's the one day a week i can get up early and go fishing. tell you what-- i'll pay your bar tab if you come along. you can bring your tablet along and play pinball games on that-- whaddya say?"

"TABLET?? you think i'm playing on a tablet to get ready for an actual tournament??"

"haha, then bring the real thing along. i dare you. matter of fact, i DOUBLE-DOG dare you..."

"^&%@#$"

"hahahaha, i TRIPLE-DOG dare you, ralph!"

"alright... alright... hooters, then."

"what?"

"not just any bars. hooters. and you pay for everything. and that's it... no bar-hopping, just hooters. and i'll play pinball while you fish."

{very long pause}

"in the middle of the stream."

{even longer pause}

"yes, fine."

"HAH! i'd like to see you try."

...

that saturday:

 

[GSGregg]

Well, out there in the wiles of Afganisnitzel I hope this guy brought a generator. If not, maybe that's why someone wants him killed?