Kiss [WIP]

[Shockman]

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Yeah, I like all fine crafted VP tables, even of ones I don't care for in real life.
All yours play nice and look sharp.
What do you mean about not knowing till one minute before you zip it?

You are going to scale down that lock bar though right? even if it does not make it play any better.

 

[shiva]

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Exactly that. I thought power play sucked till the last day, I never liked KISS at all as a actual arcade game, still don't. It's the way I do things, I concentrate on one thing at a time. It's when everything is all done and completely layed out in front of me, that's when I look at it as a overall package, how everything relates to each other.

The Lockbar is 80% scale in height of a actual image, I've used it for 3 years now. I won't judge it anyway, as there's no backglass to use as a contrast.

I always leave the backglass to last, it's one of my favorite things to do. :)

 

[Shockman]

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"The Lockbar is 80% scale in height of a actual image"
That don't mean anything.
You don't need a blackglass to see it. look at the table, apron and siderails. The lockbar is too wide. But the apron is too low so that might be why it looks too tall also.

 

[rpbizzle47]

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I'm pretty sure people can find their own music.

:) I never really care too much for Kiss's music, but I'll try to find one of their better tunes!

 

[shiva]

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Yeap. Bad enough we use images and stuff that are copyrighted, but including a music file would be asking for trouble.

Looks like the backdrop is almost done, just decals and stuff to do, and I think a "sleep on it" will be in order. A lot harder and more time consuming than I though, as there was a lot of image additions, but pretty happy with the results.

 

[davidsss]

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I kinda like all the tables I've made, but Shiva is right, it's very hard to tell how they will turn out until the whole thing is together. Only then do you see the whole package and get to play it as it should be and work out if the whole package works.

DS

 

[StevOz]

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Got to say, I think this is an excellent choice of table, unlike many I really likes this table, was fun for me back in the day, what's not to like, 2 spinners 4 pops, 2 target banks, an outlane gate, a few spot targets, plenty of lanes and some neat bonus features.

Played alright if you ask me, wasn't to found of those sometimes hungry outlanes, though so long as it didn't tilt too easily then it was a fair challenge.

I also think, you'll make this table shine shiva. Those 4 pop bumbers will look fantastic with your 4 stage drop wall ring effect (tm, shiva). :)

Looking forward to the screenshots / WIP.

 

[shiva]

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Thanks. I didn't like it as there were a couple design elements that closed off the sides. Having the K and S buttons really closed off the flow to the side from the 2 banks, and I always felt the spinner lanes were 2 high.

The other thing I never liked was everything was pushed over way to the sides, there's nothing to shoot at between them, and it's a pretty wide open middle.

That bonus is pretty complicated. I still may have to work on it some more, but I'm trying to avoid engine changes so I don't screw up the other tables.

I may have to run a beta at my site for that.

Bally outlanes were always pretty bad. That's why I have the insert/delete keys cheater system in all my se3 tables. :)

 

[davidsss]

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Hey what's that 4 stage drop wall ring effect SteveOZ is talking about? Sounds good for my Jive Time project! Is there a table which has an example of this, and can I copy it??

Thanks
DS

 

[shiva]

Third image now available. Just about all graphics done, except for the KISS decals for the lights, and some minor corrections etc.

Colors changed, the backglass is finished (yeah) and added the rest of the shadow and light effects to targets spinners etc.

Think it looks damn good, but I may be bias. :)

Just checking the script, before it goes for a quick test.

http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=13860712062yo.jpg

 

[StevOz]

Looking great, nice work on those pops and those lights look rather good also. I gather, those lower posts, outlane and centre will be modelled over. Which bought me to this thought, is this a VP or VPM WIP?

 

[shiva]

VP only as it's shivaEngine3 (hence the se3 at the end)

Those posts are the cheater posts that's part of the engine for those of you who are not that great playing VP (you do read my Table Info, don't you?) They are in Playboy and Power Play as well.

You can also activate the ball saver as well, though it's turned off by default as Bally SS never used the Ball saver feature. I wrote it so you can override the pre-set style that KISS uses, the table has a example on that, as well as the custom bonus system that replaces and overrides the engine routine.

 

[StevOz]

Table info? I'm a player, I play the game, first, then I'll glance through the script to see what makes her tick. Yes I know it's an awesome bit of engineering, though like you I'm a DIY man and like to glance at it and glean what I can without too much analysis.

 

[Triforce]

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Yaeh, that damn pop up message came back yesterday, the one in the task bar when you power up the computer. Reminding me I'm not using their piece of junk firewall. I switch it off, it's fine for a while, then it switches itself back on.


grr....

Turn off the Security center service off.

Go to start/run "services.msc"

Look for "security center" right click on it and do a properties.

stop the service and disable it.

There is also another service in there called "Windows Firewall" do the same if you wish to get rid of the firewall altogether.

That should take care of those pain in the ass nags.

Awesome looking recreation of kiss by the way.

 

[kristian]

Looks good Shiva.....keep it up....it's nice to see people working on the tables again.....it's like the old days.....

 

[shiva]

Thanks to both of you. I already knew about the pop ups, it's reset by a MS update. Bloody Micro$oft.
I found a nasty bug with that insanely complex bonus system, with the letters. Serves me right for not doing it the easy way in the first place.

 

[Triforce]

Give that a read and see what ya think of it.

http://www.autopatcher.com/

 

[shiva]

Think I fixed everything hopefully, taken far to long, and want to work on a personal project for a while.

I'm in the middle of playing , and if it's bug free after 10-15 straight games then it's done. Just have to write the documentation for it, and then goes to test for my members.

 

[rpbizzle47]

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I'm pretty sure people can find their own music.

:) I never really care too much for Kiss's music, but I'll try to find one of their better tunes!

I decided to create my own version of a Kiss themed table since I was in search of some of their music, I downloaded a bunch of their images as well. This is in no way intended to cause bad feelings towards me and I hope others will like what I have done with my own version.

It should be available for downloading tomorrow from:
http://www.pinball-originals.com/portal.php

Here is the screenshot: