The Real Shocking Poll

[elton]

I personally wouldn't but it's all down to personal taste. If you disliked it 'fresh', having it sit for a while is not gonna help. But .... whatever floats your boat. :)

 

[rpbizzle47]

I think this BS about Shockman is as about as childish as childish can get. Can't you people leave the guy alone?! Have you nothing better to do with your life that you have to resort to this type of BS?!

sheeezzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[elton]

WTF

Fashionably late again Ron ?

 

[Shockman]

Ron is not entitled to post his opinion because he was not online until now? Elton? WTF are you thinking to say that to a fellow member?. Now drop and give him twenty! Give me 10 for having to type this.

Glad you made it back Ron. I hope you voted against me, I probably will, I am still undecided. It shows that it just don't matter. PacDude is an asshole, and only those that think they are going to loose out on a game are keeping from saying so.

Let him get WW out first. But then he will have another WIP to shut um up.

He took a very important fix out of the core.vbs file that he had nothing to do with and would have nothing to do with if he could not have his name on it while not even sharing the discovery with me. We all lose. All he had to do was put that it was discovered my me and the number used (which was .002 different than mine) was his suggestion. Or he could have change the number to .136 and left credit out. Or he could have just left credit out. or he could have just credited me and slowed the swing down by a whopping .002, but he decided that if he could not have lone credit for it that he was going to try to keep it from being used. And it was used to fix the btf problem for most if not all tables with zero input from the user and even the builder. Our loss, yours, mine, everyones but him because he decided to put it into the table script as I suggested as an alternative day one.

 

[PacDude]

Someone get Shitman some cheese to go with that whine.

 

[Kinsey]

I believe PacDude has not claimed lately that he's not an asshole. Pretty sure he's accepted that as a matter of pride/consequence/revelation. Whether or not he is or isn't is rather moot and not exactly relevant to this particular topic of discussion.

If it bothers you that much, then start releasing your own fucking set of vbs files. I'm sick of this incessant bullshit. As my departed sainted mother would say, "You'd bitch if you had a brass asshole."

Oh, and I'm a fucking bitch, too. So, there's where I stand.

 

[Shockman]

Fuck you PacDude. People can over ride it with the script like I tought you to do, but not every one is, I don't, but I relied on that part of the .vbs to ensure that others can play my table and not have the ball go through the fucking flipper, You beat the drum for that your self after I discovered it..

Put the fix for my table and many others back into the .vbs. Take the credit, or put the credit back. I don't care. Just fix all these tables you broke by taking my, our, if you must, fix out.

You did not come up with the fix. You covet it, but it is not yours. you mod it, but modding it was recommended my me the day I shared it with the community. And you did not put it into the .vbs for everyones benifet. You had NO right to take it out.

Fucking hack.

 

[Shockman]

Fucking bitch, it broke my fucking table. I guess I WILL have to take over the fucking .vbs file, just to keep us from going backwards.

 

[Shockman]

Jon, will you host a core.vbs file labled as 'fixes the ball through the flipper problem'?

 

[PcwaG]

For anybody just catching up, Shockman will probably get a 4 week vacation within the next couple of days, if not the next couple of hours.

This is the norm, and he can care less.

Just for fun, here's a quote:

Why? you mean here? I behave myself here. What have I done here?

And a pic:

 

[elton]

WTF are you thinking to say that to a fellow member?. Now drop and give him twenty! Give me 10 for having to type this.

I wouldn't give either of you the steam off my piss.

 

[PacDude]

Someone please BAN Shockman permanantly. The users of this board have spoken in this very poll and as you can see, Shockman is STILL screaming like a lunatic even after I removed the 'offending credit' remarks in the VBS files and removed the bug that wpcmame had inadvertently caused in the first place (which is just as valid as hacking the code to do the REVERSE of its original intent, IMO).

If tables are broken as a result, the authors should fix them because they would look stupid with the downswing going faster than the upswing anyway. So regardless, any such tables have something that need fixed.

 

[kristian]

Fucking bitch, it broke my fucking table.

I have (at least temporary) fix for all your flipper speed problems Shocky. Go to the command prompt and type:

format C: -y

 

[Kinsey]

Ya. Gotta fix that vbs file instead of a 2 byte change in yer table. Must.. draw.. attention.. to.. self..

 

[ValamirCleaver]

Shockman has been released from the ban one week early, in exchange for his promise to try to NOT get banned within 1 week....

It doesn't appear that he's trying very much to behave, but then again why should he if he's going to continue to receive a free ride?

Shockman, don't you have more important things to focus on in your personal life rather than scouring for distant obscure minutiae to consistently and repeatedly obsess over.

I know the feeling too, Ron. I know you know that. I thought I had been hurt. I thought things could not have got worse. I was dead 11 months ago, no question about it. The only reason I am not now is because of modern medicine.

I said I 'thought' I had been hurt, when my lung collasped and my body rejected much of the treatment to mend it. I was not hurt, I know now.

My son wrecked his car 4 days ago. Besides internal injuries, he had bones broke in is head, his collar, his shoulder, his back, his ribs, at least. more that I don't even want to tell. It took me 47 years to learn what hurt means. Not really, I always kind of knew, that only what means something to you can hurt you. I mean me and I'm sure you know that.

I saw Eric smile yesterday. I watched Dr. after Dr. come in and say your son is not doing well, he is doing good. I heard Dr. after Dr. say surgery is not needed in his brain, his back or his shoulder or anywhere. His breaks are clean, in place and in posision to heal, and that is what is happening. Each said it could have just as easily gone the other way and that is what some expected. I know Joy too.

Men that would set in court with glasses on and tell a judge that they will not let their son have medical treatment because they are of a faith should be carried off, never to be seen again. Medicine is wonderful.

My son is doing very well. He will be leaving the Trauma Center soon and going to a hospital where he will work to regain his memory, with a custom therapy designed for him. We expect a full recovery but it can take some time. Every day he gets better. Every day I get better, just a few days ago I thought I would never get better.

Don Quixote, I seriously doubt you're going to gain anyone's support so long as you continue to "tilt at windmills".

Tom

 

[Shockman]

I know you people are not really that stupid. PacDude than 'hacking of the code to reverse the intent' is what fixes the ball through the flipper problem. Don't you understand that?
kristian, I tried that and it didn't work.
Kinsey. How do I fix the script for thousands of tables I already released? How do I rplace them all? Can't you understand that? For those that update their set of .vbs files, balls through the flipper WILL occur.

It's not just about looks. MMPAC uses .08 for the flipper swing and my .vbs file which mmpac get's the return speed from, at .09
Yes the return is a bit faster. Why the fuck not? Why the fuck can I not have a faster downswing. I made the fucking thing and it worked well. Very well. I don't want a speed of .135 for the upswing and the downswing. I have been complimented on the flipper settings when compared to other tables I have shown, at the same time.some of which was PacDudes'.

It for the very reason that flipper's speed can be set, both directions in the script, that I believe the fix should be set in the .vbs file, and the script to adjust that, not to fix the problem. I don't want .08 as my back swing speed too and I certainly don't want .137 for up or down swing. and I had no problem with the way it was.

Let me put you guys on the spot, k&K, do you think the default really should be changed? Do you think .137 is slow enough for all tables? Do you think that everyone should have to struggle to fine a power setting that works well with a new flipper speed just because the backswing is going to have to be the same as the upswing in each of their tables, unless they go out of their way to over-ride the core? This assuming that they will update the .vbs set for any reason. I don't. I think this set us back, and it was not because I wanted credit for it if credit was going to be given. It did not have to be imo, but if it was, it should go to the right person.

 

[Shockman]

And no, they will not ban me permanantly. They might ban me for another 4 weeks, but it is not going to be for standing up for what is right, and it is not going to be for standing in the way of you trying to force the values that you like on to us. That is not what VP is about. People would have to be stupid, to update their .vbs file if they knew exactly what the change was, and understood it.

 

[yogiholzer]

As it's finally clear now that it doesn't stop ever I leave this place temporary. No remaining fun anymore. Sorry.

 

[Shockman]

Did you update your .vbs files yogi?

 

[Shockman]

I wonder if Phoenixx is going to put them into the install kit?

 

[ValamirCleaver]

Shockman, I realize that it's obviously not as important as trolling this forum with spam; but how is Eric's convalescence progressing? Has your son made any significant improvement with his regenerative therapy; or have you been too self-absorbed with happenings on this forum to take any meaning note of those personal developments?

Where are your priorities, Don Quixote?

What's truly important, to unnecessarily "tilt at windmills"?



Tom

 

[kristian]

it is not going to be for standing up for what is right, and it is not going to be for standing in the way of you trying to force the values that you like on to us.

"Us"?

If I were you... I would refrain from using the collective and the royal "us".......as you and your 1809 less than memorable....posts...are hardly qualified to represent the "main stream".

 

[Shockman]

My posts here have nothing to do with priorities. My posts here are concerning issues here, ValamirCleaver.
Eric is doing wonderfully, thanks for asking.

Kristian, I excluded me from the us already. And I explained that the us is those that upgrade to this new stripped down core.vbs. All of that us will get ball through the flipper problems on my tables because it used that code, with for the flipper return and now all of the people that play it with the new .vbs file are going to have a flipper return speed of .08 and that I know is not fast enough. It's close, but you obviously have no clue on the effort it takes to get flippers to work as you want. I spent years working on that and squashing some of VP's biggest problems, like high resolution plungers, the ball through the flippers, transparent ramps, more shapely and more animated drop targets as well as dynamic lighting, and swinging triggers, as well as other issues, and I shared every one of them with the community, often before I had them in my own release, indeed as I was discovering them. PacDude is not being truthful when he says this is as good, it's not even close. He is wrong to say that we should use values as he does and that the downswing should not be a separate value. That is just not his decision to make, it is each of ours. He might not like to see flippers coming down faster than going up, but that don't mean it should not happen. As it was you could use values that played well as well as not have the ball go through the flipper. There is just way to many version of tables that don't use that fast speed for playing, because have you ever seen a ball just go ballistic with that speed? I see it in Pacdude tables often, never in mine. Does that make mine better? more realistic? No. It makes it mine. I discovered the technique that ended the problem, and accepted that the core.vbs file if having it there was going to have a fast setting to end it on most if not practically all tables. Personally, I don't care what the down swing speed is, as long as it ends the ball through the flipper, instant resetting to start would be better that the btf IMO. I do however care about the upswing and as I said have spent a lot of time tweaking mine.

If I wanted someone, a user that has never even looked at a .vbs file, to play my table now without having the ball go through the flipper then I would have to reset my flippers to have at the least .09 flipper up speed which means many more hours seeing if I can come up with a power setting that would work with it.

Sure, I can re-release it and just put the .09 value in the script, but that is out of the question, don't you understand? there is thousands of it out there already, and thousands of people using it that never come to a forum. Many bought it on eBay, and it was indeed in every collection I have seen compiled, and would not even know how to fix it or even how to update it. Yes they would not even update the .vbs in those cases for the ez install kit will be updated and will have the new set. People are going to have a problem. The only reason I myself don't is because I know how to override it, but I have not. I have relied on the core.vbs file. a custom one for me and the default that still fixed it for everyone else.

My lunches with Eric have nothing to do with this community, and this problem has nothing to do with him. I can't believe you said that frankly. Seeing that the young ones brush their teeth is no reason to not brush your own, don't you understand?

I don't claim to represent the mainstream, I have never confined myself to a box.

I did fix the ball through the flipper problem for every one. I knew the pros and cons of it while every one else was writing it off as impossible and turning flippers over, and doubling flipper up and trying all sorts of fixes to get as much of the occurrences out that they could. I suggested it be put into the .vbs file with .135 because that is what I found worked on faster tables than mine. It was put in with that exact number, well same for all intents and purposes. Now it's out, and my table will not work the same if the stripped core is used.

He had no right to take the ball through the flipper fix out of the core. None at all, nor to tell us that we will have to use a much faster number or live with it. It's untrue. We don't have to limit our upswing value at all to have no balls through the flipper with a default table our one that has ANY value for the upswing, if he just left my fix alone. It was stupid to take it out and very disrespectful, not only to me but to anyone that would dare to play a table the hack did not build himself, unless they used a fast enough upswing BY CHANCE.

You really don't understand, do you?

 

[ValamirCleaver]

You really don't understand, do you?

The irony of Shockman making that statement is killing me!!!...

Yet again you make it blatantly obvious where your extremely misguided priorities lie. Keep on "tilting at windmills", Don Quixote, but other than your squire, Sancho Panza Bizzle, don't expect any sympathy or commiseration here...



Reread your previous statement I just quoted and make at least a feeble attempt to let it sink in...

lionheart88 gave us a peek at your upcoming release:

 

[Kinsey]

PacDude clearly stated that every table will use the settings you set in the editor. If I recall, you've only released a half dozen tables publicly. It would take all of an hour to reupload them so they are properly fixed. The fact that you have edited all the tables on your hard drive to comply with your temporary fix isn't PacDude or anyone else's fault.

Think about this: If the Ultracade version of VP was released tomorrow, it would break not only your tables, but likely every other VPM table ever released. Would you demand that we all go back to the current version because your tables are now broken?