The Universe is big...Really?

...Hey Ike. Running paper through the cuisinart, any paper, tissue or newsprint, run through to fuzz also makes a pretty good paper machete base. Most newspapers are cold press ink. It comes right off when rinsed with cold water. I think that was developed for recycling purposes.
You can either rinse the paper first, then allow to dry before grinding it up in a dry blender, else wash the fuzzy pulp after grinding it up and squeeze drain it before adding starch binders, corn starch cooked with water, or a blend of corn starch and baking soda. Else flour. Homemade flour paste.
Haven't used it in over 30 years.

I also tried paper machete once using diluted Elmer's Glue All, diluted with water enough to not be a problem while working it with my hands...
i thought elmer's was one of the very standard ways of doing papier-mache. you just want some dilute paste or whatnot.

the paper washing is a good idea for newsprint, otherwise you wind up with grey paper. in fact just using random scraps tends to leave you with grey. btw, i think the reason the ink comes off so easily is because it's made out of plastic (like toner) and lightly heat-sealed to the paper when printed. so in other words, it's just sitting on top of the paper, as opposed to traditional ink which saturates the paper to a large degree.

not sure why you'd want to cuisinart-blend paper just for the purposes of making P-M. maybe for micro-projects, i suppose. otherwise it's so much simpler to use unblended paper and dilute paste.
 
There is a ton of stuff to download out there, I've been printing probably 2/3 stuff I've downloaded and the rest I've done in CAD myself.

yeggi.com is a good place to search for printable stuff.
hopefully they'll add more DIY-style projects with time. unless you're a heavy gamer or something, i don't quite get buying a 3D printer just to make most of those trinkets and figurines.

i would have thought (and maybe i'm wrong) that more people would be printing stuff in the spirit of this $1 sub-micron microscope developed for the 3rd world by stanford.
http://www.foldscope.com/
 
hopefully they'll add more DIY-style projects with time. unless you're a heavy gamer or something, i don't quite get buying a 3D printer just to make most of those trinkets and figurines.

i would have thought (and maybe i'm wrong) that more people would be printing stuff in the spirit of this $1 sub-micron microscope developed for the 3rd world by stanford.
http://www.foldscope.com/


There are tons of practical and educational things people have uploaded as well as all the trinkets. You've got to search for them. Although a lot of them are upgrades for 3D printers, it's kind of funny that you get a 3D printer and then spend a lot of time printing upgrade parts for it...

I've always wanted to build a clock, been trying out various escapement designs I made in FreeCAD, have one that is close, runs for a little while. Only other practical thing I've designed and printed is a stand for my cable modem. It really is amazing to design something on the computer and then have a physical copy of it in your hand a few hours later.

Fun stuff I've downloaded and printed are a TARDIS and a Dalek, a fairly detailed Saturn V rocket, and a the thing everyone has to print, the Eiffel Tower. All those little parts make the Eiffel Tower something you can't mold and mass produce, it's got to be built piece by piece, or layer by layer like the printer does.

Below is a very cool project, but printing ABS requires a headed build plate and it smells so you need a ventilated spot for the printer. Although I have heard of some people contributing parts made from PLA, so guess I should look into it a bit more.

http://enablingthefuture.org/
 
Oh God No! Not The Eiffel Tower!!

As the late great Freddie Mercury once said, "Oh Mama Mia! Mama Mia!".
 
But traditional root beer is carbonated by yeast fermentation, but the ferment is stopped before the alcohol level becomes too much fun.
Which is why root beer was still legal during Prohibition in America, but beer was not.
 
@mrschultz,
okay, i see. hey, that clock project sounds pretty fascinating.

cool limb replacement project! i just hope the hobbyists are careful with that ABS. acrylonitrile appears to be carcinogenic, with most cases turning in to lung cancer.
 
I saw one 3D printer advertise Lightning Speed. Maybe that is if you want a replica of a house fly poop.
 
Since we got onto 3D printing, I just finished a light saber.

Coolest thing I've printed so far, took 2 days to print the 14 parts, they came out way nicer than I thought they would:


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And after painting:

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i reckon you're ready for detroit there, mister
 
About the size of the universe,

The reason the size is determined to be about 14 billion light years is that the farthest we can see (the observablel universe) is light that has traveled for 14 billion years.

Could it actually be bigger? I'm not sure but if it was say 40 billion years old and bigger we could probably see more.

That's assuming us at the center, but given the estimate of the shape any point of observation could be called the center.

I read often that 45% of People (mostly Christians) believe that the universe is 6000 years old. How many stars would we see if that was the case. We WOULD only see light that has traveled no more than what light would travel in 6000 years
 
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About the size of the universe,

The reason the size is determined to be about 14 billion light years is that the farthest we can see (the observablel universe) is light that has traveled for 14 billion years.

Yeah, we have no way of knowing how big it really is, too many unknown factors at the start, like the exact amount of energy converted and the very early expansion rate.

It is very unlikely our galaxy is at the center, so unless we start to detect an "edge" somewhere the universe is much larger than the 14 billion light year radius bubble we can observe.

I read often that 45% of People (mostly Christians) believe that the universe is 6000 years old. How many stars would we see if that was the case. We WOULD only see light that has traveled no more than what light would travel in 6000 years
There are plenty of naked eye objects that are much farther than that, even looking with cheap binoculars you would see mostly black sky if limited to stuff that was closer than 6000 light years. And anyone that has done it knows everywhere you look with binoculars you see lots of stars.

I'm sure the response would be the same as when they are confronted with the fossil record. Denials of the dating process or saying everything was put there on purpose. When hearing the "it was all put in place" argument I can't help but think "why?", just to trick us into thinking everything is older? Creating a 28+ billion light year diameter bubble of extremely complicated objects with everything in place to simulate 14 billion years of aging seems a bit, uh, nuts? Pointless? Even if you belive in a creator at least accept the fact that the people writing stuff down 3000 years ago might not have gotten the story right, imagine going back in time and trying to explain genetics to a monk, he might write down some crazy stuff...
 
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Couldn't the determination of size be made by comparison to "gear motion and ratios"?
For instance, the amount of rotation of Earth within a measured time window
compared to the other planets and then to the known galaxies.
The known values of the circumferences of Earth and nearby planets
in "gear ratio and motion" weighed by the parallax of telescopic devices and apex vectors may be applicable to determining overall size by motion and by relative positioning without the use of light years.

I've got a bastard driver from a minor accident trying to take my insurance company out for a Puerto Vallarta holiday...he's skipped work claiming "soft tissue back injury"
and has hired an attorney......but I Love California!...
 
Couldn't the determination of size be made by comparison to "gear motion and ratios"?
For instance, the amount of rotation of Earth within a measured time window
compared to the other planets and then to the known galaxies.
The known values of the circumferences of Earth and nearby planets
in "gear ratio and motion" weighed by the parallax of telescopic devices and apex vectors may be applicable to determining overall size by motion and by relative positioning without the use of light years.

Uhhh, what? That's a joke, right? That would be like trying to figure out the size of a forest by measuring a few trees somewhere deep in the forest.
 
i thought that the reason we can 'only' see 14b light years in any direction is because we know from multiple factors that such is the age of the known universe. not the other way around.

for example, observance of atomic and subatomic decay, as well as comparisons of various EM spectra across a variety of distances all come together to give us that 14b year figure. er... i think.
 
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Not if you track the repetitive motions, and consider the mass and the dimensions. Else there are no boundaries out there.
 
i thought that the reason we can 'only' see 14b light years in any direction is because we know from multiple factors that such is the age of the known universe. not the other way around.

for example, observance of atomic and subatomic decay, as well as comparisons of various EM spectra across a variety of distances all come together to give us that 14b year figure. er... i think.

Yes, there are lots of different contributing factors combined to come up with the age since the first particle of matter came into being. It's not based on how far we can see, although distance and expansion rate measurements do play their parts.
 
btw, in reference to the milky way likely not being the center of the universe...

there is a quote i've always liked. paraphrasing, it is-- "the universe is an infinite sphere, whose centre is everywhere and whose circumference, nowhere." of course this quote is originally in reference to god, but i'm taking it in a modified direction, because...

as i understand it, the BB theory has a side-theory which postulates that just as time began, space also came in to existence. then, as matter spread, space spread in tandem. point is-- if we can postulate that our universe is currently infinite in scope, then we might also say that indeed, the center is just as much here as anywhere else.

so this takes it in a certain metaphysical, perhaps self-empowering direction. yea, i'm a big fan of the 'unified theory of everything' approach if that wasn't already clear. :p


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Even in a limited size universe that is a sphere, though the center at a given point and circumference somewhere we would be at the circumference and center would have a new, different actually because a point on the circumference is what center refers to, meaning.

I'm not too comfortable injecting a notion of age. Too many unknown factors, (motion with gravitational forces, friction, though we might not expect that) and a good chance of quantum physics playing a big roll at the beginning which would make even the known not understandable any way. As far as time the best chance is in learning that the measurement of time we use would have given different results early on. Not only the bible tells of thousand year old people. People that might have lived the same amount of time as us, if the motion and spin of the earth had nothing to do with measuring time, but instead a concept of time as a universal constant instead of earth based on an assumption of constant in variables such as motion.

Clocks are a constant though (at least based on a vibrating crystal, which is fine if that vibration is in reality a global constant and not in tune with that motion cycle based time). If space-time is too, someone will figure it all out. A faster spinning earth which is unlikely would just make years with a lot of days, but a faster orbit, likely, with the process of obtaining and settling in and the weak forces that would settle it in, would make a lot of years in a lifetime for a long time.

My original point is that if it is bigger than thought then it is older than thought and that light would be here. None of it actually points out that you can't have a big bang AND measure time using where light is coming from now. The origin of it would have been right here, with us (this) at the start. it could have taken a trillion years for those bodies to travel to a point where the light would travel back 14 billion years. And if the expansion was not faster than the speed of light the light would have never been and will never be out of range.

And if we are one of those expanding elements, not the point of the big bang, any measurement of light hitting the earth is meaningless for anything beside observing neighbors. Nothing overall.

Another notion of mine with absolutely no basis is that the motion might not be expansion (overall, and without a big bang) but other motion which might make our observable part an expansion inside a number of motion effects like undulation, chaotic, boil, and others. Something like this seems to have to be the case with a universe that does have an observable limit but is any bit larger. (That all light no matter how far should be visual without faster than light expansion)

So if I knew for a fact that there was a big bang, and that we are where that happened, I would take the 14 billion year age as another axiom.

If it was to stop moving now and not move for 2 billion years, the measurement would still be a 14 billion light-year size, not 16 and thus the age estimate would be the same (14 billion years) 2 billion years later as well.

Or would time stop if expansion did? What if orbital motion, the clock, continued?
 
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"We're Out Here And This Is Where We Are"

I think the 14,000,000,000 Light Year Billion radius of the "known" universe idea is based on Doppler or red shifted spectra of farthest objects detected. Funny though that at that distance all objects are also thought to be receding at the speed of light. All objects closer(to us) seem to move slower. Is this 14 billion LY frontier just a manifestation of this speed/distance location?

I can conceive of no end of this space we live in. This space has no limits of dimension like distance or time. It just plain IS. It does not curve, bend, warp, expand or contract. Space may appear to behave in those manners but that is happening to whatever stuff{fields, matter, thoughts, information, quantum whatnots}occupies the space not the space it occupies.

This endless nature of space is a bit unsettling. There is comfort in knowing this space has always been here and will always be here. There is room for everything to happen. Somewhere up,over, down, out there a trillion raised to the googleplex power light years away is another you and another me. I find the idea of another or parallel universe ridiculous as that would make the term 'universe' just plain wrong. There are areas exploding with energy/matter. Nearly indeterminate vastnesses devoid of everything but the space is still there. "Home is nice"...
 

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There was an article yesterday about scientists finding a skull with remnant brain matter still present. They believe it predates entries in The Bible by 8,000 years.
But then, Adam and Eve likely never bothered to write anything down, or whoever it was.
 
and now a brief pause while this parade horse walks by...


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Dammit man. I love cats.
I have a cat on my lap right now.
 
Space is expanding faster than the speed of light. It's just that I don't understand how that puts distance between bodies at the same faster than light speed, but it obviously is. The consensus is that it is not moving them but simply putting more space between them. Easy to say but hard to grasp.

The time light travels before it gets to earth is more than a lot of the stars live. What you are seeing is ghosts. If they are still alive you are still seeing something that is not really there (not at that place anymore)

The Big Chill started the day we could see as far as the speed of light will ever allow us to. What this means is that man will never discover more as far as more size to our universe. no way no how, and the opposite is actually true. If your life span was infinite you could be anywhere and see very quickly (relative to an infinite lifespan) the sky get darker and darker until there is no stars anywhere to be seen.
 
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