tiltjlp
PN co-founder
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At a time when the VP community has weathered yet another storm of sorts, we are offered a new forum to consider as a gathering place. The VP Underground is up and running, but is still a work in progress. And from what I have seen, it can progress without me. I’ll check back every so often to see if once it is fully operational, if it appeals to me a bit more than it does now. Somehow I doubt that it will.
While it’s still a bit too soon to know for sure how the new staffers at VPF will function, knowing them as I do, I would expect that they will be open-minder and willing to at least listen to differing opinions and viewpoints. I’m not so sure the same will be true at VPU. And just because I don’t agree with a lot of Gottlieb’s viewpoints aren’t the only reason I have my doubts, although that sure is a big factor.
Gottlieb seems to have a problem remembering that the VP community is about Pinball, and only Pinball. He wants to interject his personal religious, political, and morality viewpoints on the community, and that I do object to most of all. It doesn’t matter that I disagree with most every one of his viewpoints, they would be out of place even if I agreed with him completely. But the worst part of all this is that recent comments by Gottlieb at VPF are not only out of line, rude, and insulting to every VP community member, they also violate the standards he claims to live by.
I can’t and won’t be a part of any forum where I feel my opinions and comments will be censored, and will not be given serious consideration. VPU’s only stated rule is Don’t Be Annoying, and Gottlieb, along with several pals who share his viewpoint, decide what is annoying. They should at least post a list of what they consider annoying, but then they wouldn’t be able to attack those who they disagree with. That creates the possibilities for a very hostile environment, if you ask me.
I might not agree with everything about VPF, but at least they have well defined rules, and the majority of the time those rules are followed. VPF isn’t perfect, but none of us are, and none of the other sites are perfect, but I think we all do a fairly good job, and we do try to cooperate and get along with one another the best we can. Even shiva’s comments at VPF, while not always supportive, and made with good intentions, I believe. Gottlieb’s comments were meant to “divide and conquer”, rather than help improve VPF.
Of course everyone should make their own decision about VPU and not simply take my opinion as the final word. My gripe isn’t with anyone other than Gottlieb, and only concerning his interjection of his personal viewpoints which have not one thing to do with pinball. The lock issue, to me, is not even an issue. Gottlieb had shared any number of excellent tables to the community, and that is a plus. It’s just a shame he feels a need to convert us all to his world view.
John
While it’s still a bit too soon to know for sure how the new staffers at VPF will function, knowing them as I do, I would expect that they will be open-minder and willing to at least listen to differing opinions and viewpoints. I’m not so sure the same will be true at VPU. And just because I don’t agree with a lot of Gottlieb’s viewpoints aren’t the only reason I have my doubts, although that sure is a big factor.
Gottlieb seems to have a problem remembering that the VP community is about Pinball, and only Pinball. He wants to interject his personal religious, political, and morality viewpoints on the community, and that I do object to most of all. It doesn’t matter that I disagree with most every one of his viewpoints, they would be out of place even if I agreed with him completely. But the worst part of all this is that recent comments by Gottlieb at VPF are not only out of line, rude, and insulting to every VP community member, they also violate the standards he claims to live by.
I can’t and won’t be a part of any forum where I feel my opinions and comments will be censored, and will not be given serious consideration. VPU’s only stated rule is Don’t Be Annoying, and Gottlieb, along with several pals who share his viewpoint, decide what is annoying. They should at least post a list of what they consider annoying, but then they wouldn’t be able to attack those who they disagree with. That creates the possibilities for a very hostile environment, if you ask me.
I might not agree with everything about VPF, but at least they have well defined rules, and the majority of the time those rules are followed. VPF isn’t perfect, but none of us are, and none of the other sites are perfect, but I think we all do a fairly good job, and we do try to cooperate and get along with one another the best we can. Even shiva’s comments at VPF, while not always supportive, and made with good intentions, I believe. Gottlieb’s comments were meant to “divide and conquer”, rather than help improve VPF.
Of course everyone should make their own decision about VPU and not simply take my opinion as the final word. My gripe isn’t with anyone other than Gottlieb, and only concerning his interjection of his personal viewpoints which have not one thing to do with pinball. The lock issue, to me, is not even an issue. Gottlieb had shared any number of excellent tables to the community, and that is a plus. It’s just a shame he feels a need to convert us all to his world view.
John