VPU, not the Evil Empire after all.

[PacDude]

I don't think I'm going to worry about it much longer, Bob. I'm mostly likely going to be moving soon and I'm not yet sure if I'm going to bother taking my links to VP Land with me.

Randy has yet to comment on ANY of this and Dave Foley is already taking feature requests for VP. What is up with that? Until he gets permission to release any of them (why would Randy include them in a newer VP if Dave retains all rights to any code enhancements? That would make him a defacto partner for any future VP release if Randy uses ANY of it so I just don't see that happening, really).

Frankly, I'm not really sure I care anymore. Maybe it's time to find a new hobby. I hear Arizona is big on motorcycle clubs.

 

[bob]

Well, if Foley owns everything he says he does, then why didn't he buy VPF :) then he could buy a few Mods and ban our asses :D

Cheer up! It's only Pinball!

 

[tiltjlp]

John and PD, do you really want me or any other moderator editing every little thing someone posts in a reply that was or could be interpreted as a minor flame? You got to be kidding me? Do you guys want that job? VPF is a busy forums and just about everyone active in the VP community posts there. Who cares if Leo Wanker called you "Pacdud" a couple of times, everyone is not as good as you are at making someone look like an ass without calling them an ass. This is just "my opinion" and that's why "I" didn't edit it. I think you're going to see this staff is different from all the other staffs in that some of us will speak publically, at least you know I will

VPF is a forums where everyone is welcome and everyone should be able to have a "fun" experience, but it IS up to each member to take a little responsibilty in achieving this "fun" by ignoring the stuff that irritates them.

No, I don't think you should edit any posts that don't contain links to porn or similar stuff. But what I would like is that when us members are asked to report questionable posts that we be taken seriously, and not shrugged off like I recently was.

I also found it sickening to read AJ's post saying that rules didn't need to be applied evenly and fairly. In theory, certain members can now be banned on basically trumped up charges, while others can pop off whenever they choose. I simply think that every rule should apply to every memeber every time.

I have stated to various vpf staffers over the years that reporting questionable posts was a waste of time. I'm always given a pep talk, but nothing ever changes. The last such pep talk came from TMFP within the past week or so. So now I have two choices, to nit pick and start reporting even boarderline posts, or ignore them all since nothing will happen. You I have no qualms with Super Spidey Bob but that doesn't hold true for all the staff, or of course with AJ. That's pretty much been my major complaint all along.

John

 

[Pop Bumper Pete]

Before you hang me, can I have a say?

Ok, let us start at the beginning
Rob starts a WIP for ‘Bally Mata Hari’
http://www.vpforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35375
This thread gets high jacked rather quickly by more than one individual.
Now I know, nothing upsets a table author more than if someone high jacks a WIP or release thread.
First I tried to remind people that the thread was about a ‘Mata Hari’ pintable, not a flame Rob session. I was not successful.
So rather than delete or try to clean up, I locked the thread, apologized to rob for locking his thread, and invited him to start a fresh thread.

Well, that worked. For a time.

Then we got a thread in messages to staff, ‘Re Bally Mata Hari. Directed at TMFP’
http://www.vpforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35446
Now it did take me a while to realize that Lander was having a joke, but alls good until,

Of course you gotta LOVE how Kabuki Joe overstepped his authority by contradicting TheManFromPost (who said he'd unlock the thread if Rob requested it) and who is scheduled to become top dog around here and Kabuki stepped on his toes and said tough! It's staying locked! Yeah, that IS entertaining.
Apparently, even the staff can't get respect each other.

Now I did not think that KJ had overstepped a mark or disrespected me.
I am the new boy, I have a lot to learn
Plus I know that there is a lot happening behind the scenes with the staff, I know most will probably leave soon. But that is not a piece of information that is ready to be shared with the general members
So I reply to PacDude,

PD, you do not have all the facts

now, as we all know, PacDude must have the last say, so he PM’ed me his version of the facts, which mainly dealt with issues in the past (which I can do nothing about), and other issues about members that he felt were defaming him.
He did not ask me to do anything, the message seemed to be more of an informative nature than a request for staff action.

I did bring this up in a PM to TMFP like two weeks ago, but I got no reply so I might as well post publicly here.

PacDude, I saw nothing in your PM that warranted a reply.

 

[PacDude]

Whatever, dude. If you look at Rob's Mata Hari thread and look closely at his release posts and his former WIP posts, you will quickly see him bad mouthing other authors, other table versions and generally kissing his own ass. You will find him comparing me to his girlfriend's stalker and flaming other individuals as well. Now are you seriously going to tell me that the real problem is his insulting thread got hijacked by the very people he insulted in it? Yeah, I guess that makes sense. :evil:

Frankly, I could see Rob was getting full of himself right after he released Middle Earth. It was just like KC started acting differently once he released some tables. People start telling you how great you are and you start believing it sooner or later. If you aren't firmly grounded, you just fly away....

I attempted to warn Rob (very politely at first) and so did several other people along the way that he was fast becoming a mule's hind quarter, but the guy can't see ANYTHING wrong with insulting everyone by telling them how much their tables suck compared to his work and how he ought to have the god-given right to mod anything he damn well feels like modding (or at least if he mods it over 50% from where he started from or some other such total nonsense). He's pissed off Des Angel. He's pissed off Tab. He's even pissed off Destruk with that last mod and frankly, I didn't think that was even possible to piss Destruk off with a mod. That man has got a TALENT for pissing people off that even I can't touch.

He's also the world's fastest typist (he can type 5 page messages 10x faster than I can read them by his 30-second claim) and then tells me I've got nothing better to do all day than reply back with "BS" about him when I should be working on tables (even though there was a WIP from me the very same evening so clearly I *was* working on the table in question that night). He's also got a penchant for dredging up the lock issue again and again and again when he's the ONLY one that even cares at this point (long dead horse).

I'm not even going to bother to go on any further. Rob seems like a minor annoyance compared to the more recent dark cloud overshadowing the community right now. But if he manages to drive even more people away from VPF and out to the "Underground" all I can say is I told you so.

 

[Greywolf]

That man has got a TALENT for pissing people off that even I can't touch.

You know for as much sewage as you seem to want to swim in, there is the occasional post like this that just makes my day a little more bearable.

You're all right, sometimes, ya know?

I'm not even going to bother to go on any further. Rob seems like a minor annoyance compared to the more recent dark cloud overshadowing the community right now. But if he manages to drive even more people away from VPF and out to the "Underground" all I can say is I told you so.

mehhhh. He seems like a VERY minor annoyance.

MAJOR annoyances actually try to say something.

[the frustrating part is when you realise that they're right in what they're trying to say.]

Just do me a favour, and I mean this in the most kindly way:

Could you please not tell me to mind my own business and slam me for not doing my job in the same breath? it's kind of hard to honour a mutually exclusive request, and I'm going to have to pick one.

 

[tiltjlp]

Interesting how this thread has evoled into a discussion of vpf and particularly rob's posting style. I tend to agree with Dude that rob seems to have let praise for his work go to his head. Possibly due to his past problems with drugs whivh he has made public, he may have low self esteem, feeling he's had too many failures in his young like. If so, maybe the only way he knows to build himself up is to tear other people down. His posts are so damn long and are npt properly formatted, so I seldom read them all the way though, but he sure sounds condesending and insulting to me in his comments about other VPM authors. Some folks simply take longer to mature than others.

Now, to change the topic, since moderating styles have been brought up. For the most part I've been impressed with the new staff at vpf. TMFP is doing a very good job for the most part, as is SuperSpideyBob. I'm pleasently surprised with nic, who I doubted quite a bit, knowing that he can be a bit reactionary. In his own way nic might be the best of the bunch.

I haven't noticed anything by da prez, but I seldom read VPM threads, since I can't play them. But based on shivaSite, he should do fine. That leaves Greywolf, who I've known better and longer than the rest. I don't have any real qualms with you Wolf, but you do seem to react in a knee-jerk fashion at times, when I don't see any reason to. I'd like to see you mellow out and let borderline stuff go. Maybe it's beginner's jitters, but low-key is usually the best.

And on a final note, I sure hope that Cowboy has been given a warning or two for some of his recent posts. I know he tends to be overly direct and blunt, but if you can wade through all his double talk, his recent attacks are worse thananything I've ever posted, and I've received a fair number of stern lectures. So, in spite of AJ saying the the rules don't need to be applied evenly and fairly, I hope someone reigns in Cowboy.

John

 

[PacDude]

That man has got a TALENT for pissing people off that even I can't touch.

You know for as much sewage as you seem to want to swim in, there is the occasional post like this that just makes my day a little more bearable.

You're all right, sometimes, ya know?

What? You think I don't know I have a natural gift at rubbing people the wrong way by just stating my views :D

Just do me a favour, and I mean this in the most kindly way:

Could you please not tell me to mind my own business and slam me for not doing my job in the same breath? it's kind of hard to honour a mutually exclusive request, and I'm going to have to pick one.

Well, I wouldn't have said that if I had realized your were a moderator. I must have either not noticed or forgotten that you joined the staff. I thought you were just butting in with your two cents at the time and I wasn't in any kind of mood for bold typed threats, which I have a tendency to throw right back in people's faces using their own words and bold text. Putting 'moderator' under you name there might make that more clear next time.

 

[Matthew]

my PM box will always be open to you guys, unless you turn into crazy, chainsaw-wielding, hockey mask-wearing psychopaths. that would just make me wet my pants, so don't expect a reply in that case, dammit.
thx,
nic

:D

 

[Liteuser.]

@ nicolas.b
Well I'm a horror movie fan, so If I am seen with a hockey mask avatar then thats why , I'm not psycho or anything so I see no reason to hate or ignor someone just because he likes horror movies. But if thats how you feel , fine with me.

about VPF
About recent arguments at VPF , its over something that happened in the past before I came along in the vp scene. It's between those people, all I know is that I like playing the tables of these people and It's kind of a let down to see any of my favorite authors getting flamed or fighting with each other even worse that one of them happens to be a mod. But I understand a mod has a job to do and sometimes its not very nice. But I dont think Mods should let past feelings get in the way of doing the right thing and not going to extremes to show off. I really hate the I have the power and you dont, so now you are gonna suffer, crap.

I'll be moving this weekend and I won't be online for maybe a few weeks.
So I hope I dont miss any thing big happening.

About VPU ,
Yeah I registered at VPU when it first opened , so far I havn't seen anything I felt a need to post about. I only see a select few authors offering tables from VPU. And I have downloaded few of them but I dont really have any important comment to make there, that I can't make in another forum about the same table. Most of those releases have a thread posted at other forums to use. I would at least think I would be welcome to comment on a table at VPU.

about chat
I logged in a few times at Gottliebs chat room but evert time I log in. I dont see anybody talking. I switch from private to lobby still no talking , only thing I can figure is every one must have me on ignore, I have logged in when lots of people where also and still no chat. I have never talked with anyone in the chat so they cant say I'm annoying I've only logged in like four or five times over the past year or so. So maybe i just cant figure it out . all the chat must be done in private messages and not like a real chat room.

about UltraCade
Any one notice that the ultracade forums have nothing about pinball on them. If Foley was planning on selling a new product you would at least think he would post on his own forums. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place but I cant seem to find anything about pinball on the ultracade forums. I see it says he only has a hundred or so members anyway maybe he didnt think it was that important. Any way its nice to know he can use VPF to advertise his products and sell them and to who, VPF members of course. Hmmmmm

Well thats all I have to say.

 

[tiltjlp]

I'll be moving this weekend and I won't be online for maybe a few weeks. So I hope I dont miss any thing big happening.

about UltraCade
Any one notice that the ultracade forums have nothing about pinball on them. If Foley was planning on selling a new product you would at least think he would post on his own forums. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place but I cant seem to find anything about pinball on the ultracade forums. I see it says he only has a hundred or so members anyway maybe he didnt think it was that important. Any way its nice to know he can use VPF to advertise his products and sell them and to who, VPF members of course. Hmmmmm

Well thats all I have to say.

Hope your move goes smoothly. I've hated every move I've ever made. I love being back in my home town, but if I could have afforded to, I would have left everything behind and bought brand new stuff when I got up here.

As far as UltraCade, that does seem odd that he doesn't have any pinball stuff on his forum, but maybe he doesn't want to announce it until he has the product to sell. I'd just as soon not have to read about it at vpf, but since it involves VP, I guess we should know what's going on. I don't have any problems with UltraCade as long as it doesn't screw up VP for us somehow. I'd hate to have authors sign agreements with David Foley and some time later on find out they aren't allowed to release any more of their work.

John

 

[bob]

about VPF
About recent arguments at VPF , its over something that happened in the past before I came along in the vp scene. It's between those people, all I know is that I like playing the tables of these people and It's kind of a let down to see any of my favorite authors getting flamed or fighting with each other even worse that one of them happens to be a mod. But I understand a mod has a job to do and sometimes its not very nice. But I dont think Mods should let past feelings get in the way of doing the right thing and not going to extremes to show off. I really hate the I have the power and you dont, so now you are gonna suffer, crap.

Hey Liteuser, if this is about me, you have completely missed the boat.

 

[tiltjlp]

about VPF
About recent arguments at VPF , its over something that happened in the past before I came along in the vp scene. It's between those people, all I know is that I like playing the tables of these people and It's kind of a let down to see any of my favorite authors getting flamed or fighting with each other even worse that one of them happens to be a mod. But I understand a mod has a job to do and sometimes its not very nice. But I dont think Mods should let past feelings get in the way of doing the right thing and not going to extremes to show off. I really hate the I have the power and you dont, so now you are gonna suffer, crap.

Hey Liteuser, if this is about me, you have completely missed the boat.

Personally Bob, I think you're the perfect example of a top-notch moderator. So far I've been impressed with the entire new staff at vpf. If I knew how, I'd move our Spidey smilie to the front page and name it for you.

John ldman

 

[Liteuser.]

@ Bob

Sorry if it sounded like it was about you Bob, It wasn't directed at you at all.

No, its not about you Bob. You are one of my favorite authors yes and you are a Mod at VPF. I was talking about all the hostlity in those flame threads. Those other guys of whom some are my favorite authors. It's just the fighting about who belongs at VPF is all. I think every body belongs , that is there now. And the flames just got to me. I was trying to release in words what I was feeling. And It didnt come out right, Sorry.

If I voted for anyone to be a Mod at VPF it would be you Bob. Why, because I like your work and I have a lot of respect for your opinion.
And you have always been a nice guy and helped me out on my own projects.

I just thought It was pretty lame that everyone attacks each other.
Notice I didnt get into the arguement.

 

[tiltjlp]

I find it interesting that although we encourage debates, and don't edit out flames or personal attacks, that the mood here is often friendlier than at other forums. Maybe just knowing you can speak your pece here is enough to keep it from going too far. That said, I wouldn't hesitate to edit anyone's post if I felt it went over the line of good taste, I'm just happy that hasn't happened yet. Maybe it;s more a matter of folks knowing if the rip on someone here they're more than likely going to get ripped right back.

I applaud everyone here for the way we all isially get along. We don't have any word censors in place, and haven't had any problem in that area either. I like to think PN is what VPFF could have been if the founders have used some commin sense. Of course it helps that no one is banned at the current time, ither than Mr Special.

John

 

[bob]

It's Ok Liteuser, you can disagree me :) I can see by my posts of late, that a newer member could see me as not being on PD's side, but let me tell you, I LIKE PD, I always have. I even supported him, when he was banned, to the point of being thrown off VPF myself for over 4 months. I want everyone to be able to come to VPF and have fun, but there are about 10 to 20 people who want nothing but to see PD banned. If I could just get him to change his posting style, just a little bit, I think maybe we could all coexist in a peaceful atmosphere.

 

[PacDude]

Sorry Bob, but if VPF is going to allow people like Cowboy to outright flame me with personal insults, I may just stop frequenting VPF. After I left that thread, Cowboy posted at least 9 more posts there, over half of which are little more than more insults at me or about me. He has nothing to back up any assertions of wrong doing on my part other than his opinions which are also flames. Frankly, the guy is a troublemaker and should be treated as such. I've said all along he and his cohorts were the REAL troublemakers back then and considering even you were banned, I'd have to say I would think you'd see that by now. Look who attacked me as soon as I came back and has done so a half dozen more times (Gottlieb). Look who started flaming me almost as soon as he returned (Cowboy). I already squared things with Kinsey and Cowboy rants on and on about how I owe her some apology when it was still perfectly clear to me she was no saint then or now and certainly did put me on the initial Read Only against guidelines (no warnings and no explanations EVER given) and supported my band and made fun of me to boot in the private staff area. So the idea I owe her any apology beyond the one I already gave for bringing it up in bad taste is a pretty damn erroneous one on Cowboy's part and that's apart from the fact the rest of his points are all personal insults.

To think his first post back said he was a changed man and reconsidering things in life and going back to college, etc. His subsequent posts look just like the last ones he posted at VPFF where he insulted me more than anyone ever has in my life anywhere and where I believe he told Kristian to do the world a favor and go kill himself.

Now why you "like" someone that would say something like that to Kristian is just beyond me to begin with, let alone why you would WANT to coexist with him there. Things were considerably more peacful before he returned to start the flame wars all over again.

 

[bob]

First of all, you are leaving out the fact that after Cowboy told Kristian that at VPFreeFlaming, Cowboy and Kristian posted back and forth to each other like old school buddies for the next 2 months (hockey does that to some people) Then you are forgetting that EVERYONE of your long whiney posts reads to PD haters ( for lack of a better phrase) THE SAME WAY as YOU"RE reading theirs! I can't be anymore blunt about it, but if you can't see it, what the hell could any moderator possibly do? Do you really want us to draw a PD line down the forums? You stay on one side and they stay on the other side. Someone has to give a little OR we are going to have to appoint you as the admin or put those other guys back in charge, because no one else wants to moderate the stupid forums.

 

[Isaac Sauvage]

@ nicolas.b
Well I'm a horror movie fan, so If I am seen with a hockey mask avatar then thats why , I'm not psycho or anything so I see no reason to hate or ignor someone just because he likes horror movies. But if thats how you feel , fine with me.

how about i agree not to ignore any horror movie fans but to go ahead with wetting my pants? it seems like a win-win solution that way. :)

 

[Liteuser.]

Sounds good Nicolas , What ever you think is best. :)

Thanks for the well wishes on moving John. I have a ton of things left to pack up. Including both of my computers.

Sorry to all , I went a little over board on that first post of mine.
See you guys later after I move. take care

 

[PacDude]

Whatever Bob. I don't do personal flames at VPF. They do. That's the difference despite you reading into every little thing I say that might bother or inflame them. Yeah, telling them they're wrong or rude could inflame them. So could telling them you don't care for their table (look how Black reacted to Paratech). You also need to look at who started it in this case.

I was talking to Kinsey in regards to her freaking out to YOUR comment and that had NOTHING to do with Cowboy. Apparently, Cowboy thinks he's the thought police and since he hates me, he sides with her and makes me out to be Hitler or something for bringing up the past for the first time in almost 2 years. Whoa gee. Even Clean Richards admits Cowboy's view of "perfect professionalism" back then is WARPED and he was on staff at the time. She was the head admin and Apoc did say it was her and she said it was her that put me on RO in that very thread (that clears ONE detail of the past up for me, at least). I'd call that progress, really. At least I have part of the story now after all this time. I can easily believe her story that Gravitar, BJ and KC were the instigators, though. KC had more reason (with the Dr. Who thread) than anyone. And we all saw Gravitar (who had his account deleted at VPF) come back under another name and start a flaming spree (I don't know who else that would be since all the rest of the usual suspects still have VPF accounts and duplicates supposedly aren't allowed). Frankly, the whole staff was in cahoots so it really doesn't matter much. I never really got along with any of them to begin with. But like I said, I don't hold grudges so if Kinsey wants to be friendly, that's fine with me.

In any case, the rules are very simple at VPF. No personal insults. Cowboy does it. I don't. I fail to see why that's so hard to enforce. I really don't. If they break it, follow the outlined procedure. If they do it again, proceed to step 2, etc. Cowboy has made it blatantly obvious in his dozen or so posts attacking me there that he's on a MISSION to "expose" me or some other such drivel. I mean what other invitation could you want to enforce the rules? He had a similar mission at VPFF, if you recall. Personally, I'm starting to think he's not dealing with a full deck. :evil:

Ah well. I think I waste too much of my free time reading and replying at those forums anyway. I see my post count is well over 5000 there and that tells me I spend entirely too much time there, but ultimately I plan to watch how TMFP and Nicolas handle it. I won't bother calling you, Bob to do your job since you've made your feelings clear.

I do find it interesting how Cowboy thinks I should just outright flame him instead of doing what he seems to think is skirting the rules. Why should I violate the guidelines there? That would seem both counterproductive and could get me banned again as well. I'd have to be a total moron to do something like that and I'm not a moron. :evil:

 

[destruk]

I think exposing shouldn't be allowed on family-friendly forums.

 

[tiltjlp]

I don't always agree the the Dude, but this time I'm definately on his side. I think Cowboy let being a vpf moderator go to his head, and he seems to feel it still makes him better than the rest of us, and more insightful. IMNSHO, he would fo a lot better, and come off looking like he has some sense if he'd come down off his high horse and use common everyday words to express himself rather than be quite so flowery. Why show off on a pinball forum?

John

 

[Guest]

Whatever Bob. I don't do personal flames at VPF. They do. That's the difference despite you reading into every little thing I say that might bother or inflame them. Yeah, telling them they're wrong or rude could inflame them. So could telling them you don't care for their table (look how Black reacted to Paratech). You also need to look at who started it in this case.

No you just backdoor people so as to avoid any chance of them slamming you back just like the lowlife piss ant fucking coward you are. You re actually so fucking deluded as to think it takes a fucking genius to see through your crap. Who the fuck said anything about being bothered by the the inconsequential fact of YOU telling them they were wrong. More fucking delusions of grandeur from the self exalted Pacdude. Big fucking surprise.

I was talking to Kinsey in regards to her freaking out to YOUR comment and that had NOTHING to do with Cowboy. Apparently, Cowboy thinks he's the thought police and since he hates me, he sides with her and makes me out to be Hitler or something for bringing up the past for the first time in almost 2 years. Whoa gee. Even Clean Richards admits Cowboy's view of "perfect professionalism" back then is WARPED and he was on staff at the time. She was the head admin and Apoc did say it was her and she said it was her that put me on RO in that very thread (that clears ONE detail of the past up for me, at least). I'd call that progress, really. At least I have part of the story now after all this time. I can easily believe her story that Gravitar, BJ and KC were the instigators, though. KC had more reason (with the Dr. Who thread) than anyone. And we all saw Gravitar (who had his account deleted at VPF) come back under another name and start a flaming spree (I don't know who else that would be since all the rest of the usual suspects still have VPF accounts and duplicates supposedly aren't allowed). Frankly, the whole staff was in cahoots so it really doesn't matter much. I never really got along with any of them to begin with. But like I said, I don't hold grudges so if Kinsey wants to be friendly, that's fine with me.

Oh now Im the thought police and you re Hitler. Can you say CUCKOO!!!
How typical of Pacdude to resort to extreme exaggeration in order to gain support for his point. The fact that he does so shows quite clearly, that he cant deal with the issue straight up because he knows he doesnt have a fucking leg to stand on. The fact is you were banned because you were and frankly still are a complete fucking asshole who tried and continues to try to get around the rules for your own self centred glorification. Face it. Deal with it. You figured you had drummed up enough vp table groupies that despite anything you might do they would excuse your indescretions if through their unquestioning worship of you they were any longer able to see them at all. Yeah right you paranoid irresponsible fuck we were in cahoots. Suuuuuuuurrrrrrreeee Yeah that explains it. Had fuck all to do with your obnoxious behaviour right? Give it a fucking rest. BTW in regards to it being the first time you brought up the past in two years, thats just another fucking lie. For those who are interested check out Pacdude at work in the What's wrong with VPF thread. You ll find two prior occasions there alone where he brings up the past.

In any case, the rules are very simple at VPF. No personal insults. Cowboy does it. I don't. I fail to see why that's so hard to enforce. I really don't. If they break it, follow the outlined procedure. If they do it again, proceed to step 2, etc. Cowboy has made it blatantly obvious in his dozen or so posts attacking me there that he's on a MISSION to "expose" me or some other such drivel. I mean what other invitation could you want to enforce the rules? He had a similar mission at VPFF, if you recall. Personally, I'm starting to think he's not dealing with a full deck. :evil:

Yeah they are fucking simple Pacdude, and as far as Im concerned theres no getting around them. Its not just me who sees your more than obvious
bullshit for what it is. But for those who dont, I'll be there to quote you, and yes to expose your malicious little attacks for what they are.

Ah well. I think I waste too much of my free time reading and replying at those forums anyway. I see my post count is well over 5000 there and that tells me I spend entirely too much time there, but ultimately I plan to watch how TMFP and Nicolas handle it. I won't bother calling you, Bob to do your job since you've made your feelings clear.

Obviously you re counting on seeing the worst in nicolas and not the best. Dont be to quick to rely on that. He is a thoughtful man trying to do the right thing. He ll find his way quite well on his own as will some of if not all of the other moderators at vpf. I really hope they read what you just wrote here because its a real good example of you not to subtley trying to manipulate them into doing what YOU want. You obviously think they are manipulatable. I give them more credit at least as far as nicolas is concerned. Frankly, I really dont know much about TMFP. Equating bob not doing as you would wish with not doing his job is a nice touch. Provides context for how you think Nicolas and TMFP should do theirs. You arrogant fuck.

I do find it interesting how Cowboy thinks I should just outright flame him instead of doing what he seems to think is skirting the rules. Why should I violate the guidelines there? That would seem both counterproductive and could get me banned again as well. I'd have to be a total moron to do something like that and I'm not a moron. :evil:

No this is not primarily what I think. But again leave it to you to misquote.
What I think is that you should heed bob's highlighting, comprehend your effect on others which I know you already do and quit your underhanded malicious little attacks on people particularly when it comes to taking advantage of their exposed frailties. Secondly, I think you should get your facts straight and take responsibility for your own actions instead of projecting blame for them on others. I own my actions and am quite prepared to endure what consequences may flow from them so long as they are also applied to you. You would be well advised to do the same.
On the other hand, I am also quite prepared to cease and desist any direct or indirect attacks on you or your behaviour if you do the same with regards to anybody else. Under those conditions you re welcome to attack me at will.
Yours truly,
Cowboy

 

[PacDude]

You see, John, this is why you shouldn't allow guests to post.

I had to stop reading it after the first sentence, though since it's obviously 1st grade level stuff. LOL.

People like that should just be banned from any forum they go to since they can't behave civilly. Making threats should not be tolerated anywhere, especially when they're absolutely CLUELESS about that which they speak and should either mind their own business or get the hell out of Dodge.