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No, it's not allowed to send tables like that. You have to download them from here.


What is the logic behind that? I wondered why everyone all of a sudden stopped mirroring tables off VPF. I have asked myself for files that I can not get from there. Of course the response was not that it could not be done. The response was
 
What is the logic behind that? I wondered why everyone all of a sudden stopped mirroring tables off VPF. I have asked myself for files that I can not get from there. Of course the response was not that it could not be done. The response was

The dude's been asking for a disk with all the tables, you moron.

Either pay attention or quit trying to futilely attack VPF.

Thanks.
 
I understand you think a question from me is an attack. But it is not.

my hotmail is gordontanxp999live@hotmail.com.if can ,try to send me the full set of VP file of a few games to my email ,thanks ,i wish to play during my holidays

No, it's not allowed to send tables like that. You have to download them from here.

I am a moron because I read something as written? I don't think so.
 
He HAS PM'ed everyone in the topic, so, yeah, he's looking for a disk.

The mirroring comment was a blatant shot, but of course, you would never do that ...

You really need to get a life and quit worrying about what we do, since it'll never be as you would have it done.

That's why you're not welcome at VPF.
 
I don't know what you mean by blatant shot, it should mean, termed that way, that it is a question I already have, or know the answer to. I don't.

The other answer I can accept as an answer, thank you. You don't have to admit that such a text should be interpreted as it is written, just understand that my interpretation was in the text, not from something outside the text. Do you call everyone that forms an opinion based on improperly written text morons?

I only wonder about this, because all the mirroring has stopped. It does make it so to get a table it does have to be downloaded from your site. I have asked for tables to be posted here, and VP releases too. Then I read something like that at VPF. Only a fool could call someone a moron for stating what seemed, and still seems the obvious. Did I say it was wrong, even though of course I would feel it is, if this was the case? I asked a simple question.

I'm not asking for a disk. May I ask someone post a copy of the latest VP (full install) here, along with copies of the latest Flintstones, Cactus Canyon, and Midevil Madness? Without ANY support files.

That's why you're not welcome at VPF.
What is?
 
Everything you post is interpreted as a shot. It's what you've done to yourself in matters of reputation and outward personality.

Only authors upload their works to sites, not members. It's up to authors where they want their works hosted. And, yes, in the beginning, staff uploaded tables, so save your time trying to ANALyze that. We were trying to preserve VP history. You're the only one that has taken any issue with it.

As for your last question, regardless of the dozen or so specific reasons you're not welcome, it all boils down to the fact that if things aren't done the way you'd have them done, you bitch and flame and bitch until you make a nuisance of yourself.

We don't want members like that.

Have a nice day.
 
You can definitely move the ball without it hitting something.
You can indeed. And in a real way too, but the recoil is an equal and opposite force and would bring it back to where is was lickity split. If you move the table so much that the feet slide, that is another matter and might be what you are talking about. There probably some loss in the spring action of the table returning to position either way, but my experience is if there is this force it is too small to notice.

Ask any profession pinball player on the circuit, and they'll confirm.
Professional players on the circuit I doubt know any more about it than pro. players that are not on the circuit anymore. I doubt as well that pro players have a better understanding of physics as a casual player. Or for that matter casual players having a better understanding that some that do not even play. There may be tricks, as there usually are, around such things, but as the primary function on a simulator, would seem out of place to be. I do not expect to press a key to apply some trick to a table, but to bump it, and in that case I would expect the laws of physics be the driving force of what to expect, not a trick I could not understand.

I'm still hopeful the nudge will be worked on in the near future to provide counterforce and separate shake and force settings for desktop users.
Good. because I have all but given up on it. It would not take a method of picking and choosing, checking hardware, and it's settings, or any action shared. It just needs an isolated routine that functions with a keystroke. A routine that exists already. Are your calibrated pot. based routines working inside a keystroke reading routine? It could be in tomorrow if any C++ programmer worth their salt (something I am not) wanted it in, giving that the routines already exist. A good programmer could have one built from scratch in the same time period, given that the variables do exist. If it is the variables that are shared between the pot. and the key, then that would just be silly, but new variables would do just as well.
 
Everything you post is interpreted as a shot. It's what you've done to yourself in matters of reputation and outward personality.

Only authors upload their works to sites, not members. It's up to authors where they want their works hosted. And, yes, in the beginning, staff uploaded tables, so save your time trying to ANALyze that. We were trying to preserve VP history. You're the only one that has taken any issue with it.

As for your last question, regardless of the dozen or so specific reasons you're not welcome, it all boils down to the fact that if things aren't done the way you'd have them done, you bitch and flame and bitch until you make a nuisance of yourself.

We don't want members like that.

Have a nice day.


All of this comes from your attempts to act (I hope) like you do not understand what I am saying. None of it came whether I thought it before or not, before you, or someone with your support said things that you can't bring yourself to and have never brought up again, against me. Plus the things that are just as wrong that you bring up all the time, just to fuck with me.

I asked you for one thing I did that would have me deserving the treatment I would have to let go un-answered or addressed in any way, and where is it? It seems like you would be happy and surly not hesitant to post that. You might be happy to bring up only my side of these issues and ignore the other side, but I don't think so. How could you be?

I asked for an example of lies by me designed to tarnish anyone's reputation. Again. Nothing.

It is wrong to have me banned. I know it. You know it, and everyone else knows it, except for those not in the know that you are able to convince.

I did not take any issue at all with it. I do now because of the bans and the unfairness of them. I took issue with nothing, including the things and it is all these things that I thought the same about even then, but accepted. I don't expect you to be perfect, and you should not expect me or anyone else to be perfect. But you know why and who caused this. I only know who.
 
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I'm done with explaining myself.

I've only explained everything to you like three times, yet you still don't get it.

I don't think you ever will.

The difference between you and I is simple. I have better things to do than rehash, review, and formulate posts on the subject. I've moved on, and I think it's time you do, too.

Maybe one day, when you're actually willing to be a member of the community, and not a messiah, or whatever it is you're trying to be, I'll lift your ban. The last week or so has only added to my unwillingness to do so.
 
The last week has resulted now in your saying it would be possible to have my ban lifted, and your unwillingness to do it? The two months before I gave you a break and did not mention it at all. Just as you could do no wrong, I can do no right? What is it that you are afraid of? That I would behave, and again effort would have to be made by others? Or that I wouldn't and you would have to click a box.

The worse thing you can do is indicate that my points may permit a lifting of the ban and say that because I brought them up though, it's not going to happen. Not just yet. If I have lied about a single thing I should be banned forever. If I have told the truth I should not be today. That is my point that I think I deserve to make and repeat as necessary.
 
I would rather you take me up on my offer of listing ANYTHING I started, or even reacted to in a way that went beyond that rudeness, and or have a point by point arbitrated debate, and face the possibility of a consensus driven real lifetime ban, than to be continued to be strung up, and strung along.
 
Phil, it's never any different with you, and VPF is a very different place now. We don't argue, fight, flame, or any of that shit.

We focus on pinball, work together, share resources, and are truly a concerted community.

Your antics here are the same ol' same ol', and that's never going to change.
 
I would rather you take me up on my offer of listing ANYTHING I started, or even reacted to in a way that went beyond that rudeness, and or have a point by point arbitrated debate, and face the possibility of a consensus driven real lifetime ban, than to be continued to be strung up, and strung along.

You were rude in a dozen posts, but you won't see that, as you think that's how people should behave.

Just let it go, man. You simply can't conduct yourself in a tactful manner. You never have been able to, hence multiple bans, by multiple admins, over multiple sites.

When are you ever going to see that?
 
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Everything you post is interpreted as a shot. It's what you've done to yourself in matters of reputation and outward personality.

Only authors upload their works to sites, not members. It's up to authors where they want their works hosted. And, yes, in the beginning, staff uploaded tables, so save your time trying to ANALyze that. We were trying to preserve VP history. You're the only one that has taken any issue with it.

As for your last question, regardless of the dozen or so specific reasons you're not welcome, it all boils down to the fact that if things aren't done the way you'd have them done, you bitch and flame and bitch until you make a nuisance of yourself.

We don't want members like that.

Have a nice day.

I don´t want members like this & I´m sure I´m not the only one.
 
My antics here are not related, but a result. My actions there should be all that matters to you. I took your side on a number of issues, maybe pissing off the wrong member in the process. I might not, no certainly do not have as much to share as I have in the past, but that should not matter. A shifting from working on, for myself and others to a desire to collect and enjoy this work as strictly a user was inevitable. Users have issues too though and it should be most welcome to hear those. Mine went ignored. When posted one too many times I guess though was addressed, as not issues at all but harassment. I could list them again, and when taken as what they truly are, IF taken for what they truly are would be good ideas, legitimate concerns, and real opinions on how they could be handled.

I never said I would do anything different than you do. I probably would, but just about anyone else would do things differently than others do. For better or worse, but worse would not be the intent of anyone and it would not be my intent either. I can not force anything and I have no delusion that I can. If I could I would be more reluctant to suggest things that could be tried, because I would feel responsible for the failing if it went that way.

I don't know why things like 'Bugs should be the main concern', and only concern now, if I said it that way, would stir up and resistance to my person, or that the code is there and a key board routine would be isolated from the hardware routine, so should be in the program, could be taken as anything other than a smart idea, but at the time I actually thought there was real interest in the shortcomings of the new build as they related to people with more basic medium therefore more basic needs. And that was your fault I think for saying that all VP players were equal in effect and concerns there.

You don't think I would continue to bring up those shortcomings there at VPF do you? I have been there and I have done that. No matter what anyone feels about it, I know that it is out there and that bringing these things up again is going not going to help any matter. Sad in a way, but I understand it. Is that what you like to read, that someone has accepted that such ideas are out of line?

These are not antics. These are the mindset of someone that has helped VP along for so long and thought had ideas still that would be understood and considered. I assure you in that respect that I have already changed. This kind of treatment does leave a lasting mark, and because of that I really don't care if my forum account or chat access, or anything other than being able to enjoy the fruit of my and many others' labor that I have been involved in for almost a quarter of my life. Read only. One table per day limit, these would all be acceptable and at this point greatly appreciated.
 
What about an Original table, circular, NO DRAIN, & the silverball goin´around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around
What about an Original table, circular, NO DRAIN, & the silverball goin´around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around
What about an Original table, circular, NO DRAIN, & the silverball goin´around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around
What about an Original table, circular, NO DRAIN, & the silverball goin´around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around around & round & around ....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

BORING! NAUSEATING IDEA !
 
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Phil, it's never any different with you, and VPF is a very different place now. We don't argue, fight, flame, or any of that shit.
Then it IS indeed a very different place and you would have nothing to worry about from me.

You were rude in a dozen posts, but you won't see that, as you think that's how people should behave.
I see it. I never said I was not rude. I was rude in a dozen posts. I don't think that's how people should behave. The only thing I differ with you on is that being rude to someone a dozen post in the same thread, is something less. Or who is rude to who makes a difference on whether someone was actually rude at all.
 
My antics here are not related, but a result. My actions there should be all that matters to you. I took your side on a number of issues, maybe pissing off the wrong member in the process. I might not, no certainly do not have as much to share as I have in the past, but that should not matter. A shifting from working on, for myself and others to a desire to collect and enjoy this work as strictly a user was inevitable. Users have issues too though and it should be most welcome to hear those. Mine went ignored. When posted one too many times I guess though was addressed, as not issues at all but harassment. I could list them again, and when taken as what they truly are, IF taken for what they truly are would be good ideas, legitimate concerns, and real opinions on how they could be handled.

I never said I would do anything different than you do. I probably would, but just about anyone else would do things differently than others do. For better or worse, but worse would not be the intent of anyone and it would not be my intent either. I can not force anything and I have no delusion that I can. If I could I would be more reluctant to suggest things that could be tried, because I would feel responsible for the failing if it went that way.

I don't know why things like 'Bugs should be the main concern', and only concern now, if I said it that way, would stir up and resistance to my person, or that the code is there and a key board routine would be isolated from the hardware routine, so should be in the program, could be taken as anything other than a smart idea, but at the time I actually thought there was real interest in the shortcomings of the new build as they related to people with more basic medium therefore more basic needs. And that was your fault I think for saying that all VP players were equal in effect and concerns there.

You don't think I would continue to bring up those shortcomings there at VPF do you? I have been there and I have done that. No matter what anyone feels about it, I know that it is out there and that bringing these things up again is going not going to help any matter. Sad in a way, but I understand it. Is that what you like to read, that someone has accepted that such ideas are out of line?

These are not antics. These are the mindset of someone that has helped VP along for so long and thought had ideas still that would be understood and considered. I assure you in that respect that I have already changed. This kind of treatment does leave a lasting mark, and because of that I really don't care if my forum account or chat access, or anything other than being able to enjoy the fruit of my and many others' labor that I have been involved in for almost a quarter of my life. Read only. One table per day limit, these would all be acceptable and at this point greatly appreciated.

Phil,

How can you possibly not see the reality of the situation here? You have continually made an ass of yourself and have tried to make me look like an ass. How is this productive in any way to get you anything you want?

If I were to lift the ban, you would immediately be on the defensive, as you always are, since you've gone to great lengths to make our members not like you. This is where you went horribly wrong. You would be coaxed into another confrontation in mere days after your return.

If someone spoke to or about someone as you have spoken to me, and I respect them, I'd lose all respect for that person. This is what has happened.

As far as a read-only, one download per day account, you blew it. You really think I'm going to do that after all the derogatory things you've said about me? Are you mad?!

Besides, if I ban someone, it's an extreme case. You've pissed off so many people that you left me no choice, but to ban you. I don't make special concessions for anyone who can't conduct themselves properly, no matter who they are or what they have done. It sets a horrible precedence where other, non-posting members will think they can behave as you did and still enjoy what VPF has to offer.

I must admit, I got a good laugh out of your 'waiting two months before saying anything', though. Did you actually think I was going to contact you and unban you just because you were quiet for a while, and then, naturally, your first words afterward were right back to slandering me! A normal person would have contacted me after the silence and used TACT.

You really are a different sort, man.
 
I tried to contact you. With an apology for my part, which of course exists, and enough tact to make me sick, and it was returned un-read.

You would be coaxed into another confrontation in mere days
I have considered that, and believe it.

It was the fact that you got involved the first hour, and went on a campaign to post that the BTTF work around did not work, after you could finally no longer say it did not exist that put this degree to my reactions. On a personal side to the others, we have went around before, and it resulted in no expressed hard feelings or grudges that I was made privy to. On the contrary, our next encounters were usually as civil as could be.

You have made this happen, and you can continue this. But if it is going to be with you saying I was wrong about what I was saying and you were not wrong about what you were saying then this ban has no point other than to suppress facts. And my side has not been expressed enough. This non acceptance on my part is as much non acceptance that you would want it this way as my wanting anything for myself.

I'm very near accepting that you feel you had a right to say what you did, and to say that destruk had a right to say what he did, but I had no right to say what I did. When I accept it though, I am going to accept it, and there will be no going back.

If you were not in on it, it would not have had this effect on me. If you were not the one that continued it after it was dropped it would have been over then and there. You could speculate otherwise and nothing more. This either makes a difference to you or it does not. I try to persuade it to make a difference to you because that would not only be better, but good for you just as much as me.

We don't argue, fight, flame, or any of that shit.
You would be coaxed into another confrontation in mere days
What does the term flame mean to you by the way, and will you be on the forefront of that 'coaxing' again, or not?
 
Do you want me to take and express responsibility for what you said, and for what destruk said, and what Rawd and rascal said, because I could just as honestly do that as you could say yes. Do you want to take responsibility for what you said, and do you want others take responsibility for what they said?

I don't know what you want, but all this makes it seem that you want me to take responsibility for what I said and everything else and that you feel no responsibility of starting it or not dropping it when everyone else did.

It seems to me that that is what fosters this kind of crap. Not someone that is going along being bombarded with the things you and destruk were spewing. Is that being to mean to you? I'm sorry, it's not my intent to be mean to you. It's my attempt to express why I think and just as importantly think you should think this ban is not the service to the community you characterize it as.
 
You know what, Phil? After fighting with you for so long over this, I finally decided to go back and have a looksy at what you have repeatedly said is the issue here.

Yep, you're 100% right. I didn't drop it. I gave you kudos and moved on. My bad.

Fair enough.

All I can say to that is I have not found that to be true, in my experiences, but then again, I did not pursue it to the extent you did.

Knowing you, you spent a lot of time on it, and you're right. I just wasn't patient enough to tweak and test every table to 100% effectiveness.

I'm just glad VP9 came along. Now I never have to worry about the old, 'Will the ball pass through the flipper on this great game I'm having.' That used to drive me NUTS!

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I'm such an asshole.

Here's the entire topic you continue to whine about ...

http://www.vpforums.org/lofiversion/index.php/t7825.html

After reviewing it again, I've concluded this is even more a waste of my time than I had originally thought.

Even with your 'FIX', I experienced BTTF. I would have the flipper rotated entirely to the end and held, and 'swoosh', right through the flipper.

Conclusion: No known fix.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

:roll:
 
Do you want me to take and express responsibility for what you said, and for what destruk said, and what Rawd and rascal said, because I could just as honestly do that as you could say yes. Do you want to take responsibility for what you said, and do you want others take responsibility for what they said?
You're only held accountable for your own actions. Anything else would be unfair.

I don't know what you want, but all this makes it seem that you want me to take responsibility for what I said and everything else and that you feel no responsibility of starting it or not dropping it when everyone else did.
What I want is for you to shut the fuck up about it. You remember it in your own 'I'm the victim' way, as usual, and yet the warning logs, transcripts, and archives show it completely as I remember them ...

YOU being a pain in the ass and very disruptive to the day to day activity of the board.

Before you cry conspiracy ... no, they have not been altered.

It seems to me that that is what fosters this kind of crap. Not someone that is going along being bombarded with the things you and destruk were spewing. Is that being to mean to you? I'm sorry, it's not my intent to be mean to you. It's my attempt to express why I think and just as importantly think you should think this ban is not the service to the community you characterize it as.
It's not being fostered, it's being harbored by YOU. It is my firm belief that banning you has made VPF a better place. It's sad to say, because at one time, I really liked you. Enough to even CALL YOU ON THE PHONE to work it out.

This bridge has been burned, man.
 
Even with your 'FIX', I experienced BTTF. I would have the flipper rotated entirely to the end and held, and 'swoosh', right through the flipper.

Conclusion: No known fix.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

:roll:



Happens to me too.:mrgreen:
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