Some Brand New Same Old

[bob]

JPH, I like you just the way you are... The same goes for you too, Wanker. I'd like to see shiva and Pacdude be a little more pretentious though as they seem a little timid to me.

 

[shiva]

Oh well, that's the way it is. I'm not gonna change, don't think PD will, or Nicky, or AJ. BTW, is nicky still banned?
And AJ is at my site right now. So I expect he will do something about all of this.

 

[kristian]

Oh well, that's the way it is. I'm not gonna change, don't think PD will, or Nicky, or AJ.

That's right, and we don't want you to change. You're ok in my book and you (among many others) HAVE done a lot for the community. I just said you complain and whine too much and have too pessimistic approach. I have never seen things so negative, not even when VPF went nuts a few years ago.

We all have our annoying habits/personal traits. You can't change anyone so I guess we just have to get along with eachother. Or at least try to _tolerate_ eachother. Do you think PD will change? Or Leo?

You can't force other people to think as you do, it's not going to work. I strongly disagree with some of your views (and even PD's or Leos) but I still can respect them. There's nothing personal.

Why make so big deal about some small disagreements? We're just having different opinions how things should be done in a damn pinball forum. Just learn to ignore people who get under your skin, it makes the world SO much easier.

 

[bob]

Oh well, that's the way it is. I'm not gonna change, don't think PD will, or Nicky, or AJ. BTW, is nicky still banned?
And AJ is at my site right now. So I expect he will do something about all of this.

Kristian is right, most people don't/can't change, but the answer is to try and get along, not to try and destroy each other.

Nicky is still banned, but Alex Maroney could post if he wanted to, according to what the staff last posted on this matter.

What do you think AJ is gonna do? I bet he doesn't even bother to read the VPF Messages to Staff forum.

 

[shiva]

Wasn't sure Bob. Nicky has posted a few times yesterday in fact. The staff there knows, because they posted right afterwards.
* Shrugs *
I had thought they had lifted the ban by now, it has been 3 years. Other people who were banned are allowed back, so I just thought everyone was allowed back.

As to AJ, he seemed quite happy at my site, reading all the latest release threads, he was there for about 45 minutes/hour. I don't know anything beyond that, he has to know by now, but that's up to him. I haven't logged into VPF at all today though.

 

[tiltjlp]

Wasn't sure Bob. Nicky has posted a few times yesterday in fact. The staff there knows, because they posted right afterwards.
* Shrugs *
I had thought they had lifted the ban by now, it has been 3 years. Other people who were banned are allowed back, so I just thought everyone was allowed back.

As to AJ, he seemed quite happy at my site, reading all the latest release threads, he was there for about 45 minutes/hour. I don't know anything beyond that, he has to know by now, but that's up to him. I haven't logged into VPF at all today though.

I was just at vpf, and as far as I could see, AJ hasn't made any recent posts, although I don't read all the threads. I would imagine he's quite amused by the goings on there. But who knows. Is it possible to be a non-posting troll on your own forum.

But I've finally wised up a bit, I think, and have stopped posting in any of the junk/trouble threads there. I'm trying to stay busy with 15 original tables planned, i addition to the 65 flipperless ready to be made if I can find some rules information.

There are a lot more folks I consider friends than I consider irritating, although a few fit both groups. I'd rather use my energy making tables than getting steamed at sonething a numbskull posted.

John

 

[bob]

This is from VPF member search, I was surprised as you can't even search for his posts anymore. I guess he must be using a new screenname? We already know that the staff doesn't want to get too envolved with moderating at this time :)

Profile For Nicky Special

Date Registered: 05-13-2001
Status: Banned
Total Posts: 0 (0.00 posts per day)
Last Post: Never

 

[tiltjlp]

Yeah, Nicky's using Mrs ?Whatever? but has added NS to his posts, and from what he said, nothing horrid, there's no mistaking that it's him.

John

 

[bob]

Yeah, Nicky's using Mrs ?Whatever? but has added NS to his posts, and from what he said, nothing horrid, there's no mistaking that it's him.

John

Yea, Mrs Claypool, I just noticed him... Maybe I'll hit that Report Post button for the first time :D

 

[shiva]

heh, no need to, lio posted right after him, so I'm pretty sure he knows. :)

Forgot what member name he uses on my site. It might be gone anyway, as I think the system removes inactive memberships after a certain amount of time by itself.

 

[PacDude]

I'm still waiting for a Spectrum slot on VPF. Maybe two e-mails slipped by AJ. I dunno....

 

[tiltjlp]

I'm still waiting for a Spectrum slot on VPF. Maybe two e-mails slipped by AJ. I dunno....

Well now Dude, you have to be patient. We all know just how BUSY the man is, right? Besides, the last time I checked, I don't think you were on AJ's Buddy List.

John

 

[PacDude]

I dunno; I think that's the first time he's taken more than a few days to get me a slot, really. From what he's said before, I think he misses some messages in the piles of spam he says he gets. The odd thing was I requested Vector's slot the day before the first spectrum request and that was added in less than 24 hours.

 

[tiltjlp]

That is a bit odd. I wonder if maybe the e-mails I've sent him in the past were all deleted as spam. I actually chatted with him once on IM, and among other things he agreed to an interview, ans asked me to e-mail the questions to him. Do you think maybe he's really as busy as he claims, or just a jerk?

John

 

[Loafer]

Hey, is this an invitation only conversation, or can I jump in? :)

 

[bob]

Hey, is this an invitation only conversation, or can I jump in? :)

You might want to wade in, as it's pretty deep in here, if you know what I mean :)

 

[tiltjlp]

Jump right in Loaf, and like Bob said, watch where you step. And keep in mind that just because we don't have a clue doesn't keep us from trying to right the wrongs of the world.

John

 

[StevOz]

Jump right in Loaf, and like Bob said, watch where you step. And keep in mind that just because we don't have a clue doesn't keep us from trying to right the wrongs of the world.

John

Quite right there John and the reason why many threads get out of hand at VPF.

Take the Shocky thing for example if all D/As were posted then there would be no speculation as to whether they were applied in a fair and even handed manner. In fact the entire situation would have been lessened, perhaps even avoided altogether.

This is not some morbid curiosity thing, it is merely putting the maxim "Justice must not only be done, it must be seen to be done." in place, this really is a no brainer at least to me anyway. Society and communities will only continue to live in peace if their authorities are open about any punative measures taken.

 

[tiltjlp]

I agree completely Steve. But most forums cite a member's right to privacy. But I think that if D/A ans warnings were made public knowledge, that in itself might cut down on goofiness. I know that if everyone would know when I did something really dumb, I's think twice about doing the same thing again.

John

 

[Loafer]

Well, I don't know about that. I clearly see your point, and from a members/community, it makes sense. But somewhere along the way, that very much conflicts with a user's personal rights to privacy. Our own society is filled with examples of this, whether it's medical information and in many cases legal info. I'd challenge when it comes to certain transmittal diseases, that for the good of the community, it should be public information. Of course, society probably disagrees with this opinion, but see my point?

There are no perfect answers. D/A's aren't made silent for the sake of confusion, they are silent in respect to the members affected and as stated, are very much in line with what's out there.

As to the "family friendly" comments. I think you guys gave me too much credit with that one. I didn't invent that term, it was used previously by AJ, and because of some of our clientel, I happen to agree with it. But the fact is, the site owner decides on that policy, not the admins. If AJ would have stated "swearings ok", then that's ok. not my first choice, but it would have been ok.

Additionally, I do think there's a portrayal of admins having no authority. That is blatanly untrue. Case in point is the change in requirement to request posting privs. AJ had nothing to do with that period. We did send him a note with a "I'll assume no response is approval" and he in turn answered back something like "ballsy move, but I approve, go for it".

The true limitation re: admins is really one of a technical measure. There is only so much we can do with respect to improvement of the site, such as fixing/updating screenshots, etc. Any decisions that impact authority is fully within the admins powers, as long as there isn't a technical barrier.

Shiva: not starting a butting heads contest here, we'd both end up with headaches. I agree with much of your comments on AJ, but not all. You've read the staff forums, so you know where we agree. But the fact is, your position of negativity will never make the community go forward. When the going gets tough, it's time to roll up our sleeves and work harder, not keep attacking. If you *have* to fight a battle, fight the right one that can have a positive effect.

Loaf

 

[StevOz]

I know noone is guilty for being ill from any disease (knowingly transmitting that disease is another thing altogether). I know I can read about, even sit in the gallery, listen to any criminal trial where the law may have been broken the only exception is that of some private litigation cases. So to even infer that this in inline with whats out there is a ignorant at best.

 

[Loafer]

Your opinion. You stated yourself there are times in legal cases where the gallery is not allowed. I'll go one further, there are times, although not common, where the court can not be witness to all the evidence. My examples were perhaps poor, but were said to point out that not all justice is heard. But really, I still think having a D/A on an internet forum isn't the same as trial. Since it's a private forum, the better analogy is with private corporation and how they deal with privacy issues and D/A's, thus I'd say your own example is ignorant at best too. POV I guess....

 

[StevOz]

What exactly is private in a forum that can be read by anybody in the world, whether they be members or not. I also know the majority who care to vote one way or the other on the matter agree that all D/A's should be posted, so it is not just my opinion either.

http://www.vpforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26336&highlight=Should+all+D/As+be+posted

 

[tiltjlp]

Interesting poll Steve, too bad it took place while I was gone. I would have liked to have been able to participate. The only real reason not to make D/A pubkic is to cut down on probably debate and protest in the heavy handed and uneven way vpf is ran. Now we have never had any D/A here, but if we ever do, it will be made public knowledge. If anyone goes so far overboard that they would get in trouble here, I'll make sure every one knows about, in the hope that the culprit feels dumb enough not to pull the same stunt twice.

I'll even go you one better, and announce a possible D/A. Loafer is being considered as being in violation of our non-existant avatar rule, since he has not yet displayed an avatar here. If he has not choosen an avatar within a two week period, I will instruct Steve to give Loaf an avatar. And knowing Steve, I'm not so sure I'd want him picking an avatar for me.

But seriously, since the vpf rules have been doctored at times, I can understand why AJ and the staff would rather not have any of us study them too long. And of course everyone under the sun will deny that their "guidelines" have been edited and altered, but I know better. DataDragon altered them once we all approved the new guidelines after the Nicky Special fiasco.

John

 

[StevOz]

Interesting poll Steve, too bad it took place while I was gone. I would have liked to have been able to participate.

John

Perhaps you still can, I set no expiry date on the vote, have you tried?