VP is Flawed - FP is far superior technology

[bob]

@Bob - You say it's not personal, and yet you instigate it into becoming personal. I know you like the drama, but it's not one in which I wish to partake on JPH's board. THAT would be disrespectful.

It's only personal if you take it personally. I think you made a mistake and I waited while you made your decision to change/keep the name and you informed me today that the name will stay. If I'm wrong in posting my feelings, then so be it....

 

[Noah Fentz]

Then post your feelings, not some weak post intended to send the topic in that direction.

It wouldn't be taken personal, if there wasn't the underlying feeling of manipulation involved.

 

[bob]

I could post a thread titled "AJ Sucks" if you want me to.... It still wouldn't change the direction that the thread may take.

This thread should have been one of those FP sucks! VP rocks! threads..... I didn't take it off topic, did I?

 

[m4paws]

m4paws, here's an article about Stern and the layoffs and it mentions continuing to produce pinball machines.

http://www.pinballnews.com/news/sterncuts.html

Yep, I've read that one Bob, that's where I heard about the layoffs. But since it mentions nothing about curtailing production, that's why I'm confused about Foley's statement.

m4paws, you're welcome to ask him yourself. He visits the forum daily to answer questions such as this.

I did post this same question on your site. Since it didn't generate any comments (which I find shocking), I decided to post it here too... Is that OK with you?

 

[Noah Fentz]

I was going to post that you could see the whole article on VPF, but VPF is still down isn't it?

I'm leaning toward you did.

 

[bob]

I'm leaning toward you did.

If you lean too far, you'll fall down.

You said to post my feelings.... How about some questions?

Why did you name your forum the exact same name as the other forum? Surely, you had to foresee a possible conflict, since you bought those domain names before VPF was even down. Why would you do that? It is just mind boggling to me.

 

[m4paws]

Why did you name your forum the exact same name as the other forum? Surely, you had to foresee a possible conflict, since you bought those domain names before VPF was even down. Why would you do that? It is just mind boggling to me.

I guess it's pretty fortuitous that VPF went down, eh?

 

[yogiholzer]

I'm sorry Yogi.... I guess what I meant to say was.... If I was going to create a place to host the wonderful pictures of all the nice people from the VP community.... I wouldn't use the name "pinball people member gallery" out of respect for you. Does that help?

No, sorry (and I don't understand what you mean with 'out of respect of you').

The gallery was always and still is named 'pinball people'. Check here http://freenet-homepage.de/yogiholzer/pinballpeople.html and read in the introduction 'Welcome to pinball people - not only a pinball forum member gallery!'. There's no relation to any forum, nor to any pinball software nor to any hardware. I simply don't understand what you mean!

Yes, I used the name "pinball people member gallery" in my signature last (I changed that some days or a week or two ago to get rid of the word 'member', as that doesn't have any meaning).

So or so I have to come to conclusion, that you are actually spoilled for a fight about whatever comes to your mind. What's the reason for that?

Please cool down and please keep our all well known and beloved bob and please don't start to become senile.

 

[bob]

Please cool down and please keep our all well known and beloved bob and please don't start to become senile.

I'm not upset Yogi. I'm sorry that you don't understand my posts. You know you can't control senility, so hopefully we are just having a discussion.

 

[Noah Fentz]

I think you, of all people, can acknowledge that vpforums.com was snowballing into being unusable for its intended purpose. I wanted the community to have the vpforums they wanted .com to be, but in its spiraling state of decay would never be.

Pretty simple, really.

@m4paws - I just got the word from David Foley that Stern will continue producing machines, but not new designs. Just the designs that have already been manufactured.

 

[bob]

I think you, of all people, can acknowledge that vpforums.com was snowballing into being unusable for its intended purpose. I wanted the community to have the vpforums they wanted .com to be, but in its spiraling state of decay would never be.

Pretty simple, really.

I totally agree with your sentiment, just not your methods.... You still didn't answer why the heck you'd use the same name.

 

[Noah Fentz]

I think it was because I identified the community as VPForums, not the domain. It's like when you move. You still call it home.

I wanted the place to be what it should be, not what we were seemingly stuck with.

 

[faralos]

gawd can't we all just play nice?

Ok so VP is on its way out (maybe, maybe not!) we are all entitled to our opinions. I read that entire interview at the ORG which is what I call it. and it was very informative, He (the interviewee; can't recall his actual name) admitted that FP is flawed, and VP is better, but also stated that they are working on it to bring it up to snuff so to speak.
As for VP going the way of the Dodo bird, if enough of us care we can still keep VP alive. Ok we may not be able to get up to date Roms (but if Stern goes belly up it won't matter anyway) but we can still program with vp8 AND vp9! who's to stop us? and IF they can actually make FP as good as VP then more power to them. At least someone cares enough to do it. each of us is entitled to our opinions, but I agree to post the entire interview so we can make honest judgements, rather than to make bad assumptions based on a few choice lines from that interview. Since FP doesn't even run on my computer, yeah I am a little uneasy, but I figure I can still program in vp and I'm pretty certain that someone out there will still have an interest to play these (VP) pins. Personally I'm not holding my breath, on FP, since it may take years before it's ready or it may come out tomorrow! who knows? he was kind of vague on that. But, either way we still have a strong following here and on the ORG (I like that title better than VPF.org, just personal opinion) and JPG-pins forum and a few other sites, and to me that's all that matters. just good, loyal pin freaks enjoying each others company! so shake hands, hug and have a (silver) ball (gawd I sound like I've been here forever, but this is just my personal opinion, you are entitled to yours but either way...
one and all!!

 

[bob]

I think it was because I identified the community as VPForums, not the domain. It's like when you move. You still call it home.

I wanted the place to be what it should be, not what we were seemingly stuck with.

Excellent reasons.

Hindsight is 20-20, if you had to do it all over again, would you still call it VPForums?

 

[bob]

Ok so VP is on its way out (maybe, maybe not!) we are all entitled to our opinions. I read that entire interview at the ORG which is what I call it. and it was very informative, He (the interviewee; can't recall his actual name) admitted that FP is flawed, and VP is better, but also stated that they are working on it to bring it up to snuff so to speak.
As for VP going the way of the Dodo bird, if enough of us care we can still keep VP alive. Ok we may not be able to get up to date Roms (but if Stern goes belly up it won't matter anyway) but we can still program with vp8 AND vp9! who's to stop us? and IF they can actually make FP as good as VP then more power to them. At least someone cares enough to do it. each of us is entitled to our opinions, but I agree to post the entire interview so we can make honest judgements, rather than to make bad assumptions based on a few choice lines from that interview. Since FP doesn't even run on my computer, yeah I am a little uneasy, but I figure I can still program in vp and I'm pretty certain that someone out there will still have an interest to play these (VP) pins. Personally I'm not holding my breath, on FP, since it may take years before it's ready or it may come out tomorrow! who knows? he was kind of vague on that. But, either way we still have a strong following here and on the ORG (I like that title better than VPF.org, just personal opinion) and JPG-pins forum and a few other sites, and to me that's all that matters. just good, loyal pin freaks enjoying each others company! so shake hands, hug and have a (silver) ball (gawd I sound like I've been here forever, but this is just my personal opinion, you are entitled to yours but either way...
one and all!!

http://users.skynet.be/bk258512/idiot_test.swf

 

[Noah Fentz]

Excellent reasons.

Hindsight is 20-20, if you had to do it all over again, would you still call it VPForums?

Well, that's a tough question, Bob.

I don't like conflict, and it really upsets me when my character comes into question. For those that know me well, they know I'm a stand up guy with the utmost respect for everyone around me, sometimes to a fault.

Based on the success of the site and the fact AJ's is seemingly no more, I'd have to say yes. That, of course, is based on the 20/20ness of hindsight.

Had AJ's not disappeared, that may not be the case, but I think it would be a success under any other name, as well. I have and will make every attempt to provide everything the community needs to continue to grow and develop. That's my only motivation.

 

[yogiholzer]

I'm not upset Yogi. I'm sorry that you don't understand my posts. You know you can't control senility, so hopefully we are just having a discussion.

Oh, I still didn't change my signature here at PN!

However, I think I now understand your post after some rereadings anyway. It mostly/always needs some time to make me understand.

I understand and admit, that I would be some irritated first, if anyone would use the name "pinball people member gallery" in case he/she would start a new gallery. But, there's no content I'm licensed to publish only on my own. If someone else wants to publish a more nice gallery, it's their own affair/business. I don't have any advantage in offering the gallery, but only some work from time to time.

You only have to understand that I can't contribute to VP/VPM in providing tables and what else, so I just decided to become involved by continueing a gallery and some other things. and I don't feel bad about.

Senility: That was probably only a provocation to make you answer. No personal insults intended.

 

[bob]

I don't like conflict, and it really upsets me when my character comes into question. For those that know me well, they know I'm a stand up guy with the utmost respect for everyone around me, sometimes to a fault.

Based on the success of the site and the fact AJ's is seemingly no more, I'd have to say yes. That, of course, is based on the 20/20ness of hindsight.

Had AJ's not disappeared, that may not be the case, but I think it would be a success under any other name, as well. I have and will make every attempt to provide everything the community needs to continue to grow and develop. That's my only motivation.

Thanks for answering and you may skip the test in my previous post.

 

[faralos]

ok bob I don't understand why you'd post that link at all! are you mocking me? i AM entitled to my opinion, if you don't like it just ignore it, but to post an idiot test in response to my post is not only insulting but shows how childish you can be. I am not insulting you (or rather I didn't in that post) but the way you post seems to me you are either a kid or i did something that you disagree with and this is your only way of telling me so. kind of your way of flipping me the bird! and you expect people to stay loyal and happy here? i'm trying to be a mediator and you shove it right back in my face! fine be that way! go be mad at everyone, then see if i care anymore. Now i can understand why people got banned, pardon me for disagreeing with you...
site supporter my ass! you are doing your best to get rid of us and I am at a loss as to why! so why, bob? what did I ever sdo to you personally? except disagree on some subjects? I am entitled to my opinion whether you like it or not...(y'know freedom of speech and all that) but don't insult my posts, I dont insult yours...and I also will sidestep that test...and continue on my merry way...IF by chance you are kidding, you have a na-asty sense of humour, but I am past all this and will go merrily skipping (figuratively speaking of course) along:)

 

[bob]

No personal insults intended.

I love you Yogi! I would really enjoy having a beer with you, but not too many though as we would probably get lost.

 

[bob]

ok bob I don't understand why you'd post that link at all! are you mocking me? i AM entitled to my opinion, if you don't like it just ignore it, but to post an idiot test in response to my post is not only insulting but shows how childish you can be. I am not insulting you (or rather I didn't in that post) but the way you post seems to me you are either a kid or i did something that you disagree with and this is your only way of telling me so. kind of your way of flipping me the bird! and you expect people to stay loyal and happy here? i'm trying to be a mediator and you shove it right back in my face! fine be that way! go be mad at everyone, then see if i care anymore. Now i can understand why people got banned, pardon me for disagreeing with you...
site supporter my ass! you are doing your best to get rid of us and I am at a loss as to why! so why, bob? what did I ever sdo to you personally? except disagree on some subjects? I am entitled to my opinion whether you like it or not...(y'know freedom of speech and all that) but don't insult my posts, I dont insult yours...and I also will sidestep that test...and continue on my merry way...

Sorry faralos, I'm an asshole.... Just ignore me. BTW, the end of that test is amazing!

 

[Pop Bumper Pete]

@m4paws - I just got the word from David Foley that Stern will continue producing machines, but not new designs. Just the designs that have already been manufactured.

And you are wrong
Stern still has one announced pinball machine to come, '24' (based on the TV show '24')

After that, who knows, not D Foley, that is for sure
Stern laid off many of the design staff, but not all
Pat Lawlor was never on staff, but has prduced pinball designs under contract

 

[faralos]

ok apology accepted but please don't blame it on senility! You are too eloquent to blame it all on being senile! a dark and wicked sense of humour possibly...

 

[Noah Fentz]

Pete, I was just responding to a question based on what Foley meant in his comment, and that is what he meant.

You'll have to take discrepancies up with him.

 

[faralos]

ok I bit...odd test and...i'm Brilliant! my fellow riders on the short bus agree (when they're not banging their helmeted heads against the windows or screaming out obscenities!) see? I DO have a sense of humour it just has to be phrased properly